New or vintage .460(ish) long/American cornets?

abundrefo

Hi,

I've been looking for cornets to play traditional jazz, but I'm definitely not a big fan of large bore horns. Also, I'm looking for long/American cornets (with no shepherd's crook).

I already tried a King Master cornet but that one was not a good specimen.

What other options (new or vintage) I could try?

Thank you.

spitvalve · Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 9:40 am Post subject:

Olds Ambassadors, 50s-60s vintage. The horns made after 1960 use a standard shank cornet mouthpiece--the earlier ones had a proprietary taper and could only use the Olds mouthpiece. My Ambassador was made around 1964--it looks like someone used it for a catcher's mitt, but it plays really well and would be a great horn for Dixieland music if I ever had any Dixie gigs.

I believe they're medium bore horns, don't have the actual specs.
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Richard III · Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 9:50 am Post subject:

King Long Cornet, King Master when medium bore, Blessing Artist, H. N. White "The Cleveland", Conn (depends on era), Holtons and a bunch of others. The key is the small to med. bore. Some will say Conn 80A but I find them too projecting and so backing off affects the character of the sound, so I'm not a fan for true traditional jazz. But then the mouthpiece can do a lot. Also, Reynolds makes a nice Master style too.
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Dennis78 · Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 6:31 pm Post subject:

The Blessing Artist is a .485 bore.

See if you can get your hands on a Holton model 29.
The Holton c602 is .460 and would also work well. Also the older Collegiate line. And although it has a shepherds crook, the Holton New Proportion long model is pretty decent.
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Zman · Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 7:02 pm Post subject:

How about a Martin Imperial Cornet?
Should cover all the bases and you can still find them for a decent price.
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Wrms · Veteran Member Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 129

A Bach 181 would fit the bill. I use that (ML 37) or a 80A for almost all of the trad stuff that I do. Both horns respond well to mp changes.

Good luck

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blbaumgarn · Heavyweight Member Joined: 26 Jul 2017 Posts: 705

I agree about the Bach 181 as a nice long cornet. Been a long time since I used one but they were nice, and if you like long cornet bodies. Schilke also makes the A1 long cornet model and that was magical, at least the one I had a chance to play in college was. I liked both of them as long cornets but would take the Schilke for its sound and projection by a tad. Good topic.
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BraeGrimes · Posted: Tue May 07, 2019 8:45 pm Post subject:

I've owned a bunch of old(ish) cornets to play jazz on. Realistically, I find them very temperamental and I only settle into a horn long enough for me to start looking into something different. I've settled (for now, WHO KNOWS?) on a Conn Connstellation 28A (which behaves like a cornet, but sounds more like a warm and dark trumpet). I use it for just about everything except lead playing. Love it. BUT, I went through a King Master (loved that too), a Olds Ambassador, a Yamaha YCR-631, a Martin Committee... each of those I've owned and USED for a considerable enough time. It's a hard thing to comment on, I just reckon you should try a whole heap (don't write anything off because of bore size) and spend some time with what you feel comfortable with.

Richard III · Posted: Wed May 08, 2019 5:05 am Post subject:

Regarding vintage, Derby_Mute, one of our members here has tremendous experience playing traditional jazz. Here is one of his posts:

Brianjones · New Member Joined: 09 Feb 2019 Posts: 5

Hi

Of the modern long model cornets I have owned i really liked the Bach 181 37ML and the Bach 181 25L.

The current one i own is a Taylor Chicago and its a lovely thing to play.

All the best

Brian