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beedabee
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Need advice on Graduate programs Reply with quote

Hi everyone I am about to begin my senior year of my undergraduate degree and I am considering places for my MM in Trumpet Performance. What I want to ask for is advice from current students of recently graduates from the schools I am considering: How are the teachers, the musical environment of where these schools are located, the environment of the students and faculty, and overall opinions on their respected music programs?

Currently I am considering:
University of Southern California
University of Michigan
Michigan State University
DePaul University
University Of Georgia
University of Texas - Austin

Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you a classical player, commercial player, jazz player? What area do you want to focus on?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I intend on going in as a classical player. But I do love jazz and played that extensively as well so I wouldn’t mind if at some point I could play in a jazz band. My end goal is to get my doctorate and become a college professor for trumpet.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd probably be fine pursuing graduate study at any one of the institutions you've listed. I don't know much about the jazz happenings in Athens. Maybe add Indiana University, CCM, Rutgers, and all those New York schools to your list of programs to check out if crossover playing and a cognate in jazz studies is something that you're interested in for a doctorate. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not Manhattan School of Music?
https://www.msmnyc.edu/
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Something to consider if you're interested. The freelance scene in Michigan is pretty great. I went to Western Michigan for MM and Michigan State for DMA and while I was there I was able to play with lots of different orchestras throughout the state. Some union some not, but it was a nice way to make some extra money and perform with awesome musicians. I've had friends that went to U. of M and loved it too so I'd say any of the Michigan schools are a safe bet for a great experience.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without knowing what it is that you are looking for a music program (and really knowing who you are in general...not saying open up on a forum just explaining how difficult it is going to be to give you advice) it will be challenging to give you recommendations on schools.
As far as I can see each one of those schools has a decent-strong music program with good trumpet teachers and a decent name. You could be happy with any one of those schools or you could be miserable. It is just difficult to say without more context.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2018 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to MSU and their music program is excellent. Can't go wrong there!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarolWTX wrote:
I went to MSU and their music program is excellent. Can't go wrong there!

Is "MSU" (SU=State University):
Missouri SU
Mississippi SU
Michigan SU
Minnesota SU
Montana SU
Something I overlooked.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Peedwater Community College. I hear bob turns out triple c players
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sharkbaitboi wrote:
Peedwater Community College. I hear bob turns out triple c players


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Z-BQitMuc



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I will help where I can here:

First of all, i suggest you highly take into account financial scholarship/cost of attendance. But at the same time, the MM is definitely the place to splurge (a little) because for most it is the terminal degree and the final stepping stone to pro life.

All good choices.
University of Southern California: can't help, but they are in LA and tom hooten seems to be having a hand there. Should be great. Just had a guy win Navy Premiere.

University of Michigan: Some people love the prof some people don't. School has a ton of great musicians and Ann arbor is amazing (hill auditorium brings in some insane acts). Should be a great learning place...but again, take a lesson to see if you mesh.

Michigan State University: Growing a lot. I know the prof there and he's a great player/guy that cares for the students. Usually a strong grad studio which you can learn from as well. School is really Ed heavy and performance sometimes takes a back seat to "ensembles" etc. Great community maybe a lower caliber overall (compared to U mich for example). But nice feel to it and you'll make some good friends. Again, grad studio is always really strong and the prof will whip you in to shape not only trumpet playing wise but also professionally. Grad students lately seem to be doing lots of solid things.

DePaul University: Auditioned twice here and almost went twice. It's in chicago, has a nice feel to it. If you haven't experienced big city life or a lot of snow...it can get miserable. They just got an influx of new profs. Billy Gerlach is a beautiful sounding player, new teacher (for what that's worth). David Cohen sounds boss no idea about his teaching. Tage (watch the latest monster oil brass chat for an interview) is great not sure about the other dude. Hard to beat the education that you can get if you take advantage of all chicago has to offer. Conservatory style education so your relationship with your teacher will be much more fleeting (billy in DC, Cohen in Wisconsin, Tage full time with CSO etc). Can get frustrating for some that want to feel "taken care of" rather than "there to be in a city, suffer, practice, and be sometimes miserable." Gig life is apparently pretty decent in chi-town. It's in flux so that could be concerning but it could also be a chance to go in strong. Know a bunch of people that went there.

University Of Georgia: Everybody kinda wants to study with phil smith so he attracts a ton of great players. He's great too and has become an enormously better teacher over the last couple of years. Solid finishing school. Killer players. Had 3 or 4 friends the past couple years go through with phil smith and love it.

University of Texas - Austin: Don't know anything about it
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who do you want to study with? Where do YOU want to go? Which school has accepted you? What connections do you have? Don't get your Masters at the same school you get your Bachelors-branch out, get a variety of info and experiences.

Beyond that, WHERE you get you're degree, in the big picture, doesn't matter that much. The Business world adage : "your diploma only matters at your first job"

"The are no good teachers, only good students". You will/should make the best of wherever you go.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some great info here and all schools mentioned are reputable and great choices. I notice you have not mentioned the New York area, even though you are looking for viable music scenes and freelancing opportunities.

Montclair State University, in Montclair, NJ is well worth looking into. Brass faculty comes fromm the NY City Opera, NY Phil, Met, American Symphony, etc. We have students who have graduated and moved on to literally every major conservatory. Please investigate and give us a call.

I REALLY agree with "zaferis" about getting your MM at a different school!! I got my BM at SF State, then my MM at Manhattan School of Music.

Good luck!!
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaferis wrote:
Who do you want to study with? Where do YOU want to go? Which school has accepted you? What connections do you have? Don't get your Masters at the same school you get your Bachelors-branch out, get a variety of info and experiences.

Beyond that, WHERE you get you're degree, in the big picture, doesn't matter that much. The Business world adage : "your diploma only matters at your first job"

"The are no good teachers, only good students". You will/should make the best of wherever you go.


I agree with everything, but one caveat is that it is way easier to get substitute work when X number of your friends are principal trumpet in a orchestra. Or another spin on this idea is somebody who goes to juilliard will likely get more work in NY than somebody who goes to Colburn. Connections sometimes mean a ton of money down the line but like zaferis said, you can't really get there unless you're the kind of player people want to hire. And of course, behind the screen everybody is a number.

Ultimately you are in charge of your future (you know what you suck at and know what you need to do to practice). But sometimes a phenomenal teacher can help you to play significantly better. That was the case for me: Indiana - -John Rommel and the environment there was great too. But Indiana was isolated...it was a trade off. Like Zaferis said, it was the place that I REALLY wanted to go because I thought I would grow the most there.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to freelance, that's fine - you will likely get more work in NYC than LA. Personally, I am more interested in the long game, and Colburn has done very well placing guys in full-time, tenure track orchestral/military band positions.
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