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CJceltics33
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject: Why is my trumpet buzzing Reply with quote

My trumpet buzzed quite noticeably on certain notes and it’s been doing it for a few weeks now. Always on middle and low A, sometimes on top F, B flats, low G’s, and low F sharps. These are all first valve combinations. What can be going on and how can I fix it?

It is the horn btw, had my teacher test it. He didn’t know what could cause it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had this experience in a number of vintage cornets and trumpets, can be frustrating.

Common causes

-Loose solder joints on first valve slide

-Very tiny holes somewhere on the first valve slide.

-Loose valve top and bottom caps (especially if the horn is bottom sprung)

-Worn or improper 1st valve spring installation



Extreme cases

-slight damage to the first valve porting holes or an actual hole in the porting of the first valve piston itself.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:02 am    Post subject: Re: Why is my trumpet buzzing Reply with quote

CJceltics33 wrote:
My trumpet buzzed quite noticeably on certain notes and it’s been doing it for a few weeks now. Always on middle and low A, sometimes on top F, B flats, low G’s, and low F sharps. These are all first valve combinations. What can be going on and how can I fix it?

It is the horn btw, had my teacher test it. He didn’t know what could cause it.


Evinerate has you started, but I have also had buzzing from loose brackets/spit valve/etc. not associated with the valve it affected. You could always try A 3rd valve and see if that changes anything, as it may be the frequency vibrating something loose vs. air flow.

Play a note that makes it buzz and start holding things in place from lead pipe to bell. Usually that will change something and you know you're closing in then.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My trumpet used to buzz when I played a low "A" with the plunger mute. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why.

Turns out the first valve slide was a little too loose and it rattled - and the only time it was free to do so was when my left hand was holding a plunger, rather than the trumpet.

Two rubber o-rings on the first valve slide solved the issue right away.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try putting thicker slide grease on you 1st slide.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really like the idea of holding different components to see which one stops the buzz. Fine ideas above. A few other suspects to consider, each of which I have seen over the years:

Loose top and barrel of any valve - try tightening all three.
Loose wire in the bell bead -- they can become un-soldered.
Piece of loose solder within a hollow brace/stay.
Loose backbore/top if you use a two-part mouthpiece like Warburton.
Something inside the bell crook -- maybe a bath is in order.

The problem may or may not be your first valve -- resonances can be affected by a variety of things, some as simple as your grip. Hope you solve the mystery and let us know what it was.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flip Oakes wrote:
Try putting thicker slide grease on you 1st slide.


Yep, my first valve slide will buzz a little if there isn't much grease on it. I'd try that first.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evinerate wrote:
I had this experience in a number of vintage cornets and trumpets, can be frustrating.

Common causes

-Loose solder joints on first valve slide

-Very tiny holes somewhere on the first valve slide.

-Loose valve top and bottom caps (especially if the horn is bottom sprung)

-Worn or improper 1st valve spring installation



Extreme cases

-slight damage to the first valve porting holes or an actual hole in the porting of the first valve piston itself.


Add to that that first and third valve slides can buzz sometimes. Two fixes: o-rings on first and third valve slides, OR (less preferably, especially if you use 1st slide) thicker grease or lubricant on the slide.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wondering whether CJceltics33 has been able to solve the problem (?)
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This probably doesn't pertain to the OP but it's humorous and is true.

The UNT Band was on tour and the first two nights a friend of mine kept getting a metallic sound from his horn. He kept looking at it and couldn't figure it out.

The second night, he slammed his cornet on his thigh and a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL!


I'm always losing my keys... now a have a good place to keep them!!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Detritus in 1st valve ports, slide or piston holes.

Improperly positioned 1st valve spring.

Loose top or bottom cap.

Worn out valve guide.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener.


Ahhh... Better yet!!! Hard to find those these days though!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener.


Ahhh... Better yet!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought I would try again, just because I'm curious:

Wondering whether CJceltics33 has been able to solve the problem (?)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrhappy wrote:
kehaulani wrote:
For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener.


Ahhh... Better yet!!!


Some of us remember the dark ages BPT (Before Pop Tops).
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
This probably doesn't pertain to the OP but it's humorous and is true.

The UNT Band was on tour and the first two nights a friend of mine kept getting a metallic sound from his horn. He kept looking at it and couldn't figure it out.

The second night, he slammed his cornet on his thigh and a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL!


It wasn't Jim Price, was it?
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