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garrett
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:31 pm    Post subject: Bach strad roll marks Reply with quote

Can anyone tell me a source to get the roll marks replaced on my strad. I have had my horn replated after 25 years of service and it really made the marks light, then I had a accident and I had to get a dent removed from the bell and that made it even lighter. I looked at trying to contact the factory but I cannot locate even an email address.

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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a guess, but I wouldn't recommend it, and I doubt that anyone would agree to do it without your accepting it as a 'best effort / no guarantees'.

Getting everything to 'register' in the same location, and with exactly the same font(s) / designs would be a BIG undertaking - especially if you demand the result to look 'factory new'..
As far as future 'collector value', it's likely better to have the markings in 'original' condition even though showing signs or wear and repair.

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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roll marks? Are you talking about the bell engraving?
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. The bell engraving. I am not worried about it being a collectible, I already had it overhauled and replated to keep using it. I just wanted the markings replaced on the bell. And I believe they are rolled on not actually engraved.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

garrett wrote:
Yes. The bell engraving. I am not worried about it being a collectible, I already had it overhauled and replated to keep using it. I just wanted the markings replaced on the bell. And I believe they are rolled on not actually engraved.
or possibly stamped.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LittleRusty wrote:
garrett wrote:
Yes. The bell engraving. I am not worried about it being a collectible, I already had it overhauled and replated to keep using it. I just wanted the markings replaced on the bell. And I believe they are rolled on not actually engraved.
or possibly stamped.


Or laser etched.
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am curious. Why is it you want to do this? Does the horn play OK?
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the horn plays fine, It’s simply simply for looks and because I want the horn to still have its identifiable markings. It’s just for warm and fuzzy feelings and because I just want it
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The marking are made with a “roll stamp” and they are pretty deep. If yours have been buffed out to the point of wanting to do it again, I would say your metal is too thin to do it. The only place that would have the roll stamp is Bach, and then it would have to the one from 20 years ago. I’d say give up on the idea
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2019 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not replace the bell?
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not believe Bach roll-stamps that anymore. They have a laser engraver now in the engraving room that produces a variety of bell crests including standard. The odds are it would not align.

Additionally, the horn is already replated. This is something that should be done before plating, as the plating will be destroyed within the marks and thus the crest will be obviously cut in after the fact. The end appearance would, I suspect, be other than you have in mind.

As all that buffing will have thinned the bell, it should play a little different than new, so a replacement bell might be a disappointment in a more important way which is how it plays.

You could find an engraver and have the bell hand worked - presumably adding some detail when paying that sort of cost, but keep in mind that working the metal will potentially alter its characteristics and again impact how the horn plays (or worse, it will be too thin for this and fail).

Its your horn to do with as you please - I wouldn't mess with it.

In the end, the audience doesn't hear what the horn looks like.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think treating it like an old friend, worn down in some places, but still faithful to your mission of making music, and deserving of some respect for having clung to you all this time, is the way to approach this. Love it for its imperfection. As it loves you.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Strad, made in the last 5 years or so according to the serial, is laser engraved. Much lighter and harder to read than my previous '90's Strad I used to have. Kind of disappointing, but the new one plays better...
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lipshurt wrote:
The marking are made with a “roll stamp” and they are pretty deep. If yours have been buffed out to the point of wanting to do it again, I would say your metal is too thin to do it. The only place that would have the roll stamp is Bach, and then it would have to the one from 20 years ago. I’d say give up on the idea


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately, there is no way to save that bell stamp. Once the material around it has been buffed away, it is gone forever. (That is a reason why you should be very careful with who restores your horns.)

I was told recently by a major, major Bach artist that -after he inquired about going back to a roll-stamped bell logo- Bach no longer had the machinery to stamp bells. They went 100% to a CNC process (about 25 years ago) and got rid of the old equipment.
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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2019 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you take a tour of the factory, you can see the engraving room, where special order engraving is done. It is a very small room, and nobody was working the day I was there.

All the engraving on bells in done with a laser engraving machine and now is lighter and less deep into the metal. This may be different from what many of us grew up seeing, but I have a Bb made in the mid-1990s with engraving applied in that way, so that's not a new change.

The older horns that have significant buffing in restoration are undoubtedly thinner in that area of the bell, and any additional restamping could well damage the bell even more. I'd advise leaving well enough alone. Any other attempts at roll stamping could cause the bell to be ruined.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2019 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the instrument has any collector value, any aftermarket messing with the stamping will take it away.
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