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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:11 am Post subject: Why is my trumpet buzzing |
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My trumpet buzzed quite noticeably on certain notes and it’s been doing it for a few weeks now. Always on middle and low A, sometimes on top F, B flats, low G’s, and low F sharps. These are all first valve combinations. What can be going on and how can I fix it?
It is the horn btw, had my teacher test it. He didn’t know what could cause it. |
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Evinerate Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 9:32 am Post subject: |
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I had this experience in a number of vintage cornets and trumpets, can be frustrating.
Common causes
-Loose solder joints on first valve slide
-Very tiny holes somewhere on the first valve slide.
-Loose valve top and bottom caps (especially if the horn is bottom sprung)
-Worn or improper 1st valve spring installation
Extreme cases
-slight damage to the first valve porting holes or an actual hole in the porting of the first valve piston itself. |
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bhornFree Regular Member
Joined: 13 May 2019 Posts: 27
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:02 am Post subject: Re: Why is my trumpet buzzing |
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CJceltics33 wrote: | My trumpet buzzed quite noticeably on certain notes and it’s been doing it for a few weeks now. Always on middle and low A, sometimes on top F, B flats, low G’s, and low F sharps. These are all first valve combinations. What can be going on and how can I fix it?
It is the horn btw, had my teacher test it. He didn’t know what could cause it. |
Evinerate has you started, but I have also had buzzing from loose brackets/spit valve/etc. not associated with the valve it affected. You could always try A 3rd valve and see if that changes anything, as it may be the frequency vibrating something loose vs. air flow.
Play a note that makes it buzz and start holding things in place from lead pipe to bell. Usually that will change something and you know you're closing in then. |
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:32 am Post subject: |
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My trumpet used to buzz when I played a low "A" with the plunger mute. For the life of me, I couldn't figure out why.
Turns out the first valve slide was a little too loose and it rattled - and the only time it was free to do so was when my left hand was holding a plunger, rather than the trumpet.
Two rubber o-rings on the first valve slide solved the issue right away. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
Curry 3. |
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Flip Oakes Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Feb 2002 Posts: 532 Location: Oceanside, CA USA
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Try putting thicker slide grease on you 1st slide. _________________ Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpets”
2559 Mottino Dr.
Oceanside, Ca. 92056-3421
760-643-1501
Delivering the distinctive Wild Thing Sound since 1994 |
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Venturi Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Really like the idea of holding different components to see which one stops the buzz. Fine ideas above. A few other suspects to consider, each of which I have seen over the years:
Loose top and barrel of any valve - try tightening all three.
Loose wire in the bell bead -- they can become un-soldered.
Piece of loose solder within a hollow brace/stay.
Loose backbore/top if you use a two-part mouthpiece like Warburton.
Something inside the bell crook -- maybe a bath is in order.
The problem may or may not be your first valve -- resonances can be affected by a variety of things, some as simple as your grip. Hope you solve the mystery and let us know what it was. |
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kfeldt Regular Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2002 Posts: 22 Location: Ithaca, NY
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2019 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Flip Oakes wrote: | Try putting thicker slide grease on you 1st slide. |
Yep, my first valve slide will buzz a little if there isn't much grease on it. I'd try that first. _________________ - Keith |
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BraeGrimes Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2011 Posts: 269 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Evinerate wrote: | I had this experience in a number of vintage cornets and trumpets, can be frustrating.
Common causes
-Loose solder joints on first valve slide
-Very tiny holes somewhere on the first valve slide.
-Loose valve top and bottom caps (especially if the horn is bottom sprung)
-Worn or improper 1st valve spring installation
Extreme cases
-slight damage to the first valve porting holes or an actual hole in the porting of the first valve piston itself. |
Add to that that first and third valve slides can buzz sometimes. Two fixes: o-rings on first and third valve slides, OR (less preferably, especially if you use 1st slide) thicker grease or lubricant on the slide. |
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Venturi Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Wondering whether CJceltics33 has been able to solve the problem (?) |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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This probably doesn't pertain to the OP but it's humorous and is true.
The UNT Band was on tour and the first two nights a friend of mine kept getting a metallic sound from his horn. He kept looking at it and couldn't figure it out.
The second night, he slammed his cornet on his thigh and a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL! _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:20 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL! |
I'm always losing my keys... now a have a good place to keep them!! _________________ MH |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:59 am Post subject: |
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For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
Yamaha 8310Z Bobby Shew trumpet
Benge 3X Trumpet
Benge 3X Cornet
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etc-etc Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:59 am Post subject: |
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Detritus in 1st valve ports, slide or piston holes.
Improperly positioned 1st valve spring.
Loose top or bottom cap.
Worn out valve guide. |
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:10 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener. |
Ahhh... Better yet!!! Hard to find those these days though! _________________ MH |
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mrhappy Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:11 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener. |
Ahhh... Better yet!!! _________________ MH |
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Venturi Veteran Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Thought I would try again, just because I'm curious:
Wondering whether CJceltics33 has been able to solve the problem (?) |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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mrhappy wrote: | kehaulani wrote: | For those who may not know, "church key" is a small, metal (beer) can opener. |
Ahhh... Better yet!!! |
Some of us remember the dark ages BPT (Before Pop Tops). |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | This probably doesn't pertain to the OP but it's humorous and is true.
The UNT Band was on tour and the first two nights a friend of mine kept getting a metallic sound from his horn. He kept looking at it and couldn't figure it out.
The second night, he slammed his cornet on his thigh and a "church key" fell out of the bell, LOL! |
It wasn't Jim Price, was it? |
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