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Tro.sy Regular Member
Joined: 30 Apr 2019 Posts: 52
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:24 am Post subject: what is the best non-toxic valve oil you know? |
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hey guys,
what is the best non-toxic valve oil you know? |
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pinstriper Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Sep 2013 Posts: 340 Location: Portlandia, OR
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Is there such a thing ?
Is such a thing necessary ? _________________ ~'77 DEG Dynasty II Soprano Bugle in G
'13 Chinese POS "Hawk" branded Flugel
'59 Olds Ambassador Cornet
'51 Olds Super
'69 Olds Studio
'40 Olds Special Cornet, Military Issued |
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John Ford New Member
Joined: 06 Aug 2017 Posts: 10 Location: Pennsylvania
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:58 am Post subject: |
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Berp Bio-Oil has been working pretty well for me. |
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Tro.sy Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:38 am Post subject: |
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pinstriper wrote: | Is there such a thing ?
Is such a thing necessary ? |
Yes there are a few non-toxic oils in the market.
most people use normal petroleum oils, but i read a lot about them and how toxic they are if not used in a proper way. So i decided to buy a non toxic oil and stop being concerned. |
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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BerpBioOil is not only non-toxic but the best oil I've ever used. My valves NEVER stick. _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA |
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silverhorn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I used to like Ultra Pure but I don't think their new formula is non-toxic anymore. Now I like Fat Cat Oil and slide grease. |
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mm55 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Do any of the "non-toxic" oil manufacturers back up their claims with SDS's? _________________ '75 Bach Strad 180ML/37
'79 King Silver Flair
'07 Flip Oakes Wild Thing
'42 Selmer US
'90 Yamaha YTR6450S(C)
'12 Eastman ETR-540S (D/Eb)
'10 Carol CPT-300LR pkt
'89 Yamaha YCR2330S crnt
'13 CarolBrass CFL-6200-GSS-BG flg
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JoseLindE4 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Tro.sy wrote: | i read a lot about them and how toxic they are if not used in a proper way. |
What’s the improper way? |
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Denny Schreffler Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005 Posts: 390 Location: Tucson
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Posted: Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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Bill Ortiz wrote: | BerpBioOil is not only non-toxic but the best oil I've ever used. My valves NEVER stick. |
I really liked Berp when I tried it but ran into a problem on one horn when I didn't have my only bottle of Berp with me and applied "regular" oil to valves that were "Berped."
It was like adding epoxy hardener to the resin.
-Denny |
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stumac Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Posts: 697 Location: Flinders, Australia
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:38 am Post subject: |
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What we used in the band 70 years ago..........SPIT.
Regards, Stuart. |
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 4313 Location: Ithaca NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:55 am Post subject: |
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This is the second valve oil thread started by the OP. The answer is the samee in both - Berp. _________________ veery715
Hear me sing!: https://youtu.be/vtJ14MV64WY
Playing trumpet - the healthy way to blow your brains out. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, second thread on basically the same subject. No harm done, but my suggestion to the OP would be to relax, don’t drink the stuff and you should be just fine. Dinosaurs like me (64) have been smelling/using various valve oils for over fifty years, basically still alive and in one piece.😎
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2349 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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I was given a bottle of the Berp Bio Oil and while the resulting valve action was initially great, even when I swabbed out the leadpipe and tuning slide daily, within a week the valve ports had a thin coating of goo which gummed up the valves.
BiNaK is similarly non-toxic and I've never had any goo problems with it. The original 495 formulation was pretty thick, which resulted in less-than-lightning-quick valve action (though my valves are always still faster than my fingers when it matters and the stuff lasts forever -- which is why I still have bottles of the discontinued stuff), but the current BiNaK PRO oil is advertised as having a thinner viscosity than the original 495. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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pinstriper Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Sep 2013 Posts: 340 Location: Portlandia, OR
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Somehow people get the idea that anything that has any petroleum in it is as volatile as sarin. _________________ ~'77 DEG Dynasty II Soprano Bugle in G
'13 Chinese POS "Hawk" branded Flugel
'59 Olds Ambassador Cornet
'51 Olds Super
'69 Olds Studio
'40 Olds Special Cornet, Military Issued |
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Bill Ortiz Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2007 Posts: 904
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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In regards to Berp BioOil, in my experience it's best if you don't mix it with other oils. As for residue buildup, I believe they've changed the formula-I used to get that after a while but not any more with the new stuff. My valves never stick-I know it's time to re-oil when they get a bit sluggish, which happens after a few days. I add oil much less than I use to with other oils. Everyone is different due to preference and body chemistry-it works great for me.... _________________ '56 Martin Committee Deluxe #2 trumpet
14B Schilke mouthpiece
Couesnon Paris flugelhorn
Bob Reeves Sleeves and PVA |
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rthomas8 New Member
Joined: 17 Jun 2019 Posts: 2 Location: New Braunfels, Texas
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha has a light oil that works great and lasts a long time. Many music stores don't carry it, so you have to be specific. _________________ Rick Thomas |
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KRHafer New Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2019 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:23 pm Post subject: Oil |
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Ultra Pure is awesome. Worth the money. |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:38 am Post subject: |
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And that makes 5 in a few minutes. Enough for a Bach in the marketplace.
Thanks for all the nice information. |
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garydw New Member
Joined: 21 Nov 2018 Posts: 3 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2024 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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nieuwguyski wrote: | BiNaK is similarly non-toxic and I've never had any goo problems with it. The original 495 formulation was pretty thick, which resulted in less-than-lightning-quick valve action (though my valves are always still faster than my fingers when it matters and the stuff lasts forever -- which is why I still have bottles of the discontinued stuff), but the current BiNaK PRO oil is advertised as having a thinner viscosity than the original 495. |
I also started with BiNaK 495, but switched to BiNaK Pro as soon as it came out, and it is indeed a faster oil. You can't mix this with other oils or it will gum up your valves, so make sure you have a bottle with you!
Also, this oil is compatible with regular vaseline (petroleum jelly) that you can use on your slides. All non-toxic, which works for me, since the other oils used to give me a headache. |
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2024 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Anything kerosene based. Remember that pure kerosene administered as a drop or two (no more than that, about what you would put on a valve) has been used as a pediatric laxative, topical antiseptic, and other uses since the ancient Greeks. So a bit of residue most likely will have no effect on a person's constitution. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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