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improver
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 Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:14 am Post subject: Where u put tuning slide affects blow/resistance? |
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| I have a Courtois flugelhorn with a 413 bore. I notice some guys put the pipe a little out and other way out. To get a freer blow I have to pull way out. The horn plays in tune in a number of positions. Opinions ? |
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Rod Haney
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| Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Where u put tuning slide affects blow/resistance? |
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| improver wrote: | | I have a Courtois flugelhorn with a 413 bore. I notice some guys put the pipe a little out and other way out. To get a freer blow I have to pull way out. The horn plays in tune in a number of positions. Opinions ? |
I believe every horn has a spot where the tuning slide slots to the most resonant setting. This may or may not be the same for each player. I try to discover this point and pitch center establishes itself and intonation always adjusts for me. I was very surprised when I discovered this, but it seems the three horns I regularly play operate this way. I’ve also discovered the way you hold the horn and the contact points you use also can have positive effects. I may be wrong on all this but that’s my experience anyway.
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brassmusician
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something else that may affect the way things feel is how tight you turn the little nut that secures the leadpipe/tuning shank.
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improver
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| Thank you both for your reply. I must tell you I'm 61 and have been playing for a long time and the advise about not tightening the pipe screw is true. I lightened it and it blows more open. I'm trying to figure the logic behind that. It works! |
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Craig Swartz
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| improver wrote: | | Thank you both for your reply. I must tell you I'm 61 and have been playing for a long time and the advise about not tightening the pipe screw is true. I lightened it and it blows more open. I'm trying to figure the logic behind that. It works! |
While not my experience on flugels, there are plenty of trumpets that can be affected by how tight the water key screw is on the main slide... |
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Rod Haney
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| improver wrote: | | Thank you both for your reply. I must tell you I'm 61 and have been playing for a long time and the advise about not tightening the pipe screw is true. I lightened it and it blows more open. I'm trying to figure the logic behind that. It works! |
I’ve also heard but not experienced, that how you tighten the water keys can also effect this. Some apply tape (lead?) to various spots to tighten some harmonics I think I’ve read that Faddis did or does this. These types of maneuvers are for those more knowledgeable than me, but I can see how all these things could effect sound and feel/blow.
I had a mid 60’s LeBlanc (Courtois) flugel and it was a fine player with an easy blow. In the 70’s when gold plating was reasonable I paid 500$ and had it plated at Anderson and got a beautiful horn. Now the horn absolutely vibrated in your hand and was the easiest horns to play with the richest tone I’ve ever played. I had to sell it to keep my car running. Huge loss of a special horn. Anyway the plating was just what that horn needed to b3come all it could be. So yeah the arrangement and fit of parts can definitely have a good or bad effect. Leigh McKinney at Eclipse built 2 of my horns and I specified 3 of my leadpipe be done in nickel silver and these have a definite brighter sound. So guys who really know horns can do things to improve sound. Unfortunately for me, my skills as a player don’t do the horns justice - but we try.
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stumac
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Rod,
I had a similar experience with my raw brass Alexander French horn I had gold plated 10 years ago, it played so much easier with a better tone. 10 microns of silver followed by 5 microns of gold I do not think made the difference, I put it down to the aggressive acids used in the preparation for plating cleaning the insides.
My Eclipse MS loosening the waterkey screw by 1 turn did make a slight change in the response, also with a Bach Mt Vernon large bore.
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Robert P
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| Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:35 am Post subject: Re: Where u put tuning slide affects blow/resistance? |
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| improver wrote: | | The horn plays in tune in a number of positions. |
Can you explain this? How does it play in tune in more than one position? How does lengthening the tube do anything but make the pitch lower?
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| I know sounds crazy huh! Look at Nacarciacoff on his Courtois flugelhorn. In different videos he is out about 1/3 of and inch on one video, and in a flugelhorn duet with orchestra he is out 3 inches or So. My Courtois 154 can be played in tune a half inch out and also 3 inches or So out. The blow is way more open with the pipe further out. I can't explain it. |
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