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nieuwguyski Heavyweight Member
Joined: 06 Feb 2002 Posts: 2335 Location: Santa Cruz County, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Crazy Finn wrote: | I've heard mixed things about the new Spyder stands here on TH. Let us know what you think.
I have an old Spyder from the 90's. It's great. |
I bought five or six blue Spyder stands back in the '90s. They're all still working great, though I've lost a rubber foot or two. In the past year a friend I play with admired my stands and bought two new ones.
They both jammed in the open position. He snapped the stem off of one, trying to loosen it, and I tried loosening the other but gave up. I suppose he might have tightened them down too much initially, but it's certainly a problem I never ran into in 25 years. _________________ J. Notso Nieuwguyski |
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mrhappy Veteran Member
Joined: 03 Dec 2018 Posts: 371 Location: Port Jackson, NY
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
Joined: 03 Nov 2011 Posts: 2310 Location: Beavercreek, OH
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 am Post subject: |
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veery715 wrote: | trpthrld wrote: | veery715 wrote: | The copper bell on my Kanstul 1525 deformed from sitting on a stand. I would choose to put it on any. Brass bells are probably OK. |
"deformed"?
How?
Any pics? | No pics now. The bell material was pushed outwards by the center support of the stand. I admit I left it there for a couple of weeks before I noticed. My tech straightened it and some other damage caused by my failure to zip the case closed one day. I certainly hurt it more than any stand could have. |
I can't imagine damage being done by just sitting on a stand, regardless of the stand. There must have been some other force applied beyond the weight of the instrument, regardless of the bell material (some bell materials are softer, but not that soft).. i.e dropped, hit or pressed.
I've left instruments out on stands in my study for years, sometimes a particular instrument won't move for great lengths of time.. damage only comes when they get bumped, tipped or something drops on them. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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veery715 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 4313 Location: Ithaca NY
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Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:20 am Post subject: |
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zaferis wrote: | veery715 wrote: | trpthrld wrote: | veery715 wrote: | The copper bell on my Kanstul 1525 deformed from sitting on a stand. I would choose to put it on any. Brass bells are probably OK. |
"deformed"?
How?
Any pics? | No pics now. The bell material was pushed outwards by the center support of the stand. I admit I left it there for a couple of weeks before I noticed. My tech straightened it and some other damage caused by my failure to zip the case closed one day. I certainly hurt it more than any stand could have. |
I can't imagine damage being done by just sitting on a stand, regardless of the stand. There must have been some other force applied beyond the weight of the instrument, regardless of the bell material (some bell materials are softer, but not that soft).. i.e dropped, hit or pressed.
I've left instruments out on stands in my study for years, sometimes a particular instrument won't move for great lengths of time.. damage only comes when they get bumped, tipped or something drops on them. | Nothing like that happened. The copper is very soft on that horn. Maybe we had a spike in gravity! _________________ veery715
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Turkle Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Apr 2008 Posts: 2450 Location: New York City
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Posted: Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:53 am Post subject: |
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I received my trumpet & flugel Spyder stands. I used them with my 8310z trumpet and 8310z flugel.
While they are indeed lighter and more compact than the K&M stands, my horns (trumpet or flugel) definitely do not sit on them with the security that K&M provides. If I played in a pit, or somewhere where everyone was sitting, I could see these being a great choice. However, since I regularly play on stages with cables everywhere and people standing and moving around, I would not trust my horns on these stands. Their reduced weight seems considerably less stable, and the peg design seems to hold the horn slightly crooked.
If weight is an issue for you and your performance setting is stable and not dangerous, I think the Spyder stands could be a great choice. But I am unable to recommend them over my K&M stands, which are considerably more stable and hold the horn more securely. For now, my Spyder stands will stay in my practice studio, where they will be very useful.
I hope this review is helpful. _________________ Yamaha 8310Z trumpet
Yamaha 8310Z flugel
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:31 am Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | Back when I was using K&M for trumpet & flugel stands I would use the flugel legs on the trumpet cone and the trumpet legs on the flugel cone.
MUCH more stable that way. |
I get using the flugel legs on the trumpet cone, but wouldn’t the trumpet legs on the flugel cone would be less stable?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Brad361 wrote: | trpthrld wrote: | Back when I was using K&M for trumpet & flugel stands I would use the flugel legs on the trumpet cone and the trumpet legs on the flugel cone.
MUCH more stable that way. |
I get using the flugel legs on the trumpet cone, but wouldn’t the trumpet legs on the flugel cone would be less stable?
Brad |
Nope.
Lower center of gravity of a flugel makes up for that. But to help with that I always lined up the body of my flugel with one of the legs. Quite honestly that's something that should be done on just about every trumpet stand.
Conversely, the higher COG of a trumpet needs the extra stability on the longer flugel legs. _________________ Tim Wendt
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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trpthrld wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | trpthrld wrote: | Back when I was using K&M for trumpet & flugel stands I would use the flugel legs on the trumpet cone and the trumpet legs on the flugel cone.
MUCH more stable that way. |
I get using the flugel legs on the trumpet cone, but wouldn’t the trumpet legs on the flugel cone would be less stable?
Brad |
Nope.
Lower center of gravity of a flugel makes up for that. But to help with that I always lined up the body of my flugel with one of the legs. Quite honestly that's something that should be done on just about every trumpet stand.
Conversely, the higher COG of a trumpet needs the extra stability on the longer flugel legs. |
Ok, I checked my KM five leg stands, the leg portion on both the trumpet and flugel stand is exactly the same on both, same overall width and leg length. Maybe KM changed this at some point?
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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trpthrld Heavyweight Member
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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K&M five-leg flugel stand: compact, solid, low and sturdy. Perfect. I carry mine in a mute bag, not inside the bell. _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
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wehip Regular Member
Joined: 11 Sep 2019 Posts: 20
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Posted: Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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I just keep a small washcloth in my trumpet case and throw it over my trumpet stand when I need it to hold the flugel. I figure there's no point in packing two stands since I don't need to stand up my trumpet and flugel at the same time. _________________ B-flat: Bach 37
Cornet: Yamaha 233
Flugel: Yamaha 631
Piccolo: Kanstul 920 |
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