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John Mohan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:00 am Post subject: |
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boog wrote: | Use "Mississippi Valve Oil" (Saliva). Organic, non-toxic, bio-degradable, sustainable, easy to transport and store, and cheap! |
Reminds me of the time my Jr High Band (Go Westview Vikings!) was performing in the Chicago Christmas Parade. As always our pre-parade stationing location was right on one of the bridges going over the river (grated bridge so the hollowing, freezing wind came right up from below bringing our core body temperatures down to the appropriate 15 degrees Fahrenheit or so). One of the kids mistakenly "oiled" his valves with one of those slide grease containers that looked identical to the corresponding valve oil container. Oops. Nobody had proper valve oil. Oops. Imagine 8 or 9 11-12 years olds, in uniform, on that freezing bridge, each trying to save up and supply spit for those valves. |
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boog Veteran Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:05 am Post subject: |
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John Mohan wrote: | boog wrote: | Use "Mississippi Valve Oil" (Saliva). Organic, non-toxic, bio-degradable, sustainable, easy to transport and store, and cheap! |
Reminds me of the time my Jr High Band (Go Westview Vikings!) was performing in the Chicago Christmas Parade. As always our pre-parade stationing location was right on one of the bridges going over the river (grated bridge so the hollowing, freezing wind came right up from below bringing our core body temperatures down to the appropriate 15 degrees Fahrenheit or so). One of the kids mistakenly "oiled" his valves with one of those slide grease containers that looked identical to the corresponding valve oil container. Oops. Nobody had proper valve oil. Oops. Imagine 8 or 9 11-12 years olds, in uniform, on that freezing bridge, each trying to save up and supply spit for those valves. |
I remember a time when I was teaching in North Alabama, I took my High School band to a Christmas parade and the temperature dropped to about 7 degrees F. just before the parade started. Needless to say, NOTHING worked. Woodwind keys stopped working, brass valves and trombone slides were frozen solid...the percussion section got us through the parade.
Fortunately, they still remembered their feature from football season, so they saved the day!
It DOES get cold down here in the Deep South sometimes! Not as cold as in Chicago, of course! A couple of trumpet section members in my big band are from Chicago, and I have heard stories!
Regards, Dave |
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pinstriper Veteran Member
Joined: 25 Sep 2013 Posts: 340 Location: Portlandia, OR
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:25 am Post subject: |
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boog wrote: | Use "Mississippi Valve Oil" (Saliva). Organic, non-toxic, bio-degradable, sustainable, easy to transport and store, and cheap! |
Saliva causes cancer, but only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time. - G. Carlin _________________ ~'77 DEG Dynasty II Soprano Bugle in G
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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Is this an AI-generated topic? _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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jetjaguar wrote: | Is this an AI-generated topic? |
Nope. No "I" involved. |
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cjborg Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:43 pm Post subject: Non-Issue |
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I have little expertise as a trumpet player or musician, but I make my living as a pharmacologist and toxicologist and am quite familiar with the toxicological properties of various types of oils.
Life is full of hazards; valve oil is NOT one of them. . . (assuming you don't smoke, snort, skin-pop, or mainline large quantities of it). |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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oxleyk wrote: | jetjaguar wrote: | Is this an AI-generated topic? |
Nope. No "I" involved. |
No kidding.
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"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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SMrtn Veteran Member
Joined: 29 Oct 2014 Posts: 367 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
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delano wrote: | Tro.sy wrote: | What's the safest way to use valve oils? |
To put it on your valves. |
Agreed. And probably also the most salient |
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KRHafer New Member
Joined: 13 Jul 2019 Posts: 5
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Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:14 pm Post subject: Oil volatility |
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While ingesting valve oil would be particularly dangerous, inhaling the "fumes" shouldn't pose too much a problem for you, so long as this contact is transient and occurs during normal maintanence. Unless you are using an extremely light, penetrating oil, it's volatility (tendency to spontaneously evaporate) is low. That being said, don't huff valve oil. |
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trumpetobsession2 New Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:46 am Post subject: |
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I've never really thought about valve oil being toxic, but that's mainly because I've never had the inclination to sniff it or drink it haha. |
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:45 am Post subject: |
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I enjoy smelling my trumpets ... _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
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MrSarin New Member
Joined: 17 Jul 2019 Posts: 6 Location: Broken Arrow
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Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Literally just dont drink it! I don’t think generally that you wil have to worry about the toxicity of it and worry about it creeping in your nose, would take a long time to actually be effective airborne. |
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silverhorn Heavyweight Member
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If the fumes from most valve oils were highly toxic, then I doubt that products like Zaja scented valve oil would exist? It's very unlikely imho that valve oil fumes would be toxic upon casual exposure unless you were deliberately trying to inhale fumes directly for a prolonged period? Valve oil has been used in instruments for a long time and I have yet to hear or read about anyone having toxic effects that were directly attributed to valve oil fumes? |
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Pauvog11 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:41 am Post subject: |
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I wouldnt really worry about the toxicity of smelling valve oil occasionally. Regularly clean your instrument and routinely wash your hands. As long as your not ingesting it or getting it in your eyes, you will probably be fine. |
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BeboppinFool Donald Reinhardt Forum Moderator
Joined: 28 Dec 2001 Posts: 6437 Location: AVL|NC|USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:40 am Post subject: Re: How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
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Tro.sy wrote: | How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
Very, very dangerous.
But it's okay to smell it intentionally.
I love the smell of valve oil in the morning!
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
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BeboppinFool wrote: | Tro.sy wrote: | How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
Very, very dangerous.
But it's okay to smell it intentionally.
I love the smell of valve oil in the morning!
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I guarantee that every dead trumpet player smelled oil at some point. You can draw your own conclusions. |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2410 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake? |
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oxleyk wrote: | I guarantee that every dead trumpet player smelled oil at some point. You can draw your own conclusions. |
The perfect answer. Oxleyk wins the Internet!!
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
Joined: 11 Aug 2004 Posts: 12647 Location: Gardena, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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silverhorn wrote: | If the fumes from most valve oils were highly toxic, then I doubt that products like Zaja scented valve oil would exist? It's very unlikely imho that valve oil fumes would be toxic upon casual exposure unless you were deliberately trying to inhale fumes directly for a prolonged period? Valve oil has been used in instruments for a long time and I have yet to hear or read about anyone having toxic effects that were directly attributed to valve oil fumes? |
Lack of proof of danger is not proof of safety. Nor is a company putting additives into a product proof of a product’s safety.
Think of cigarettes and how they were touted as having health benefits for years. Or vaping companies adding scents and flavors to hook the naive and you can see proof to the fallacy of inferring safety from those “facts”.
It is just as likely they could have long term effects and we just don’t know it. Or not. |
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CJceltics33 Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:37 am Post subject: |
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I tasted it once in junior high. I’m OkY! Don’t recommend it though |
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GizB Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 10:29 am Post subject: |
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"How dangerous is to smell trumpet valve oil by mistake?"
Probably not as dangerous as smelling it on purpose. I've always said that if valve oils were truly professional, they would be 80 proof. |
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