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dalcorn4808 New Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: Besson1000 |
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Would like information for Besson 10000, serial number 20445. London inscribed on the bell.
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Dieter Z Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jun 2013 Posts: 449 Location: Mountains of North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:58 am Post subject: |
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how about looking here?
https://www.horn-u-copia.net/serial/Bessonlist.html
That would put it around 1876 _________________ B & H Sovereign 928
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F. Besson Brevette Kanstul made
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TKSop Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2014 Posts: 1719 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Presumably the op means the Besson 1000 series which is the student line (IIRC made in India?), I would guess that serial numbers are rather different. |
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dmh737 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 26 Jun 2004 Posts: 769 Location: Central Florida
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 6:44 am Post subject: |
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If it’s a BE1000, it’s either really good or not. If it says Made in USA, it was made by Kanstul; really good horn. If not, India. Walk away.
Just my 2 cents
Dave _________________ Trumpet - LA Benge 3X+
Mouthpiece - Legends L-MF III
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 7:13 am Post subject: |
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I have one - supposedly a student horn, blows very nice - as far as sound and blow I'd say it's comparable to my Severinsen Eterna. I'd have no problem playing one on a gig. It's probably the definitive answer to "what's a good horn for marching". Plays really well, you won't have a lot invested in one if it gets ding'd and you can readily play it in concert band as well.
I became familiar with the model when I found one in a local Sam Ash in their used horns area. I had never played any Besson before. I was really surprised. But they wanted more than I was ready to part with for a horn I didn't need so I kept my eye out for one on ebay. Found one in next to new condition for a bargain price - got it for under $150, in silver plate no less.
The only thing I'd say is there might be some inconsistency in manufacture - the first one at the Sam Ash had buttery smooth, fast valves. My ebay find had a bit of an issue with one valve, which I've mostly fixed with repeated toothpaste lapping - removing the spring, guide and cap, reinstalled the stem, coating the valve with toothpaste, inserting the valve in reverse direction in the casing - i.e. from the bottom - then running it up and down and around repeatedly. Takes off a microscopic amount of metal each time from the valve and casing. If possible I would definitely recommend testing this aspect before buying.
They show up on ebay all the time. I wouldn't pay more than $200 - $250 for one.
A short sample of some notes played on mine, I was experimenting with a Bobby Shew Lead mp - which is why I was at the Sam Ash that day, to look at mouthpieces and got the Shew.
https://soundcloud.com/brassplyer/moving-air/s-eKtet _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel |
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dalcorn4808 New Member
Joined: 04 May 2017 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 7:06 am Post subject: Besson 1000 London |
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Thanks to all you responded. I'm a comeback player.
I traded a Bach TR300 my grandson played for 3 years from a young girl just starting.
My instructor played in Navy bands and then band director for over 30 years says this is a quality horn. It is well made, large bore (.460) and quick valves. I've been playing the Besson building my endurance and then go to my Bach 43 for the remainder of my lesson/rehearsal. I like the sound and feel so I'll just play and enjoy it. fyi, I play a Paul Stephens Lead mouthpiece.
I have 7 horns now; 5 are being played by students in middle/high school who are taking lessons from my instructor. And, I'm sponsoring several students.
Thanks again...I appreciate your time in helping me.
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Dennis78 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Feb 2015 Posts: 673 Location: Cincinnati
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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.460 is an ml bore _________________ a few different ones |
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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You might do a fresh post in the pedgagy section about the sponsoring, horn lending you're doing. A lot of us would find that interesting. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Connstellation 7B-N mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 5:21 am Post subject: |
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dmh737 wrote: | If it’s a BE1000, it’s either really good or not. If it says Made in USA, it was made by Kanstul; really good horn. If not, India. Walk away.
Just my 2 cents
Dave |
Is a BE1000 different than a Besson 1000?
I see some differences between mine and the photo on the WWBW site - mine doesn't have the staggered tuning slide, the valve buttons are different - mine are silver plated, the WWBW pic shows mother of pearl inlays, the bell logo is a little different. I don't know if they're fundamentally different instruments or just changes made to the construction over time.
https://www.wwbw.com/Besson-BE1000-Performance-Series-Bb-Trumpet-H84486.wwbw _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
King Silver Flair
Besson 1000
Bundy
Chinese C
Getzen Eterna Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Rotary Bb/A piccolo
Chinese Flugel
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Look on the back side of the valve casing for additional markings _________________ Ron Berndt
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1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
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1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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