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Thomas2516 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:01 pm Post subject: After-beats |
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Playing Carmina Burana in a couple of weeks. The after-beats in the first and last movements are at a frantic tempo. It's too easy to find myself hitting on the beat instead of after. My work with the metronome is getting me closer and closer, but I keep thinking there could be a mental approach that would make this an easier learning process.
For instance, I've found that thinking of the hits as pickups to the next beat instead of responses to the previous beat works a little better. And keeping the notes short helps too. Anything else?
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 9013 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you're already doing this, but I have found it very helpful to think of playing long phrases, letting the afterbeats glide over long group-beats, especially instead of thinking of them as individual notes following single-beat rests. Keep the breath flowing. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Maybe you're already doing this, but I have found it very helpful to think of playing long phrases, letting the afterbeats glide over long group-beats, especially instead of thinking of them as individual notes following single-beat rests. Keep the breath flowing. |
Agreed AND....
Can you play them as down beats? I'm guessing you can play a series of notes that quickly, it's just a matter of execution as off beats.
Play all the beats (on and off beats) equally, then accenting the off beat, then remove the on beats.
I'd also go the other way and play them as long tones, keeping the air moving not making the notes shorter. "Create the illusion of staccato with the clarity of articulation" If you're trying to MAKE them very short you'll get yourself tongue-tied, and probably get late.
Practice without the trumpet, like whistling "tu, tu, tu.." keeping the air moving over the tongue and through the lips...
Keep working slow to fast, but also try to go really fast. Faster that you think you can.. shed, shed, shed! _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3303 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:32 am Post subject: Re: After-beats |
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Thomas2516 wrote: |
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For instance, I've found that thinking of the hits as pickups to the next beat instead of responses to the previous beat works a little better. ... |
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Be careful about playing them as pickups to the next beat - unless that's their musical function.
I consider 'off beats' to function as rhythm, and pickups to be part of the next musical phrase.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:48 am Post subject: |
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The best musicians subdivide the beats in a measure.
One you learn to do that, your timing and getting after beats correct will come naturally.
It takes practice. Start slowly and then pick up the tempo.
R. Tomasek |
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oxleyk Heavyweight Member
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Thomas2516 Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks, everyone. Good advice for me to try. I appreciate your help. |
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abontrumpet Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:29 am Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Maybe you're already doing this, but I have found it very helpful to think of playing long phrases, letting the afterbeats glide over long group-beats, especially instead of thinking of them as individual notes following single-beat rests. Keep the breath flowing. |
Nice |
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laser170323 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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That Victor Wooten video is incredible. Wow! That guy can groove. |
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