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dladore
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:41 pm    Post subject: Am I using the right mouthpiece? Reply with quote

Coming back after a 40 plus year layoff. Using a used Bach TR300H2 with a Back 3C mouthpiece. Also using the Mitchell on Trumpet for my initial lessons. Surprisingly I’m doing pretty well with the mid and higher notes, but not with the lower notes as well as my “slurring” high to low. Mouthpiece seems a little small. Could it be the mouthpiece or do I just need more practice after my long layoff? If it is the mouthpiece what would you recommend for a 64-year-old coming back after so many years.

Thanks in advance, Dan


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mouthpieces are like shoes ... you have to determine what feels best to you. My opinion is try some different diameters to find what feels best to you. 10.5 C, 7C, 5C, 1C can easily be tried at most stores that carry Band instruments
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't get too hung-up in trying to find the ideal mouthpiece. The goal for now should be one that seems to fit OK - not too big, not too small ... just 'decent'. And definitely one that doesn't cause any pain or injury to your lips.

And don't expect any mouthpiece to be the 'key' for upper range. Yes the mpc can help your endurance with playing in the upper range, but it's YOUR playing technique that gets you there - and NO it's NOT by extreme mpc pressure.

Jay
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Bach 3C is big enough for now. Get used to it. Work on your overall lip building and the lower register should come. Don't get into the mouthpiece chase. You need to get your embouchure stabilized first.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah you can't really go wrong with 3C, 5C, 7C. Use one of those and work on strengthening routines. Strong chops cure a multitude of ills.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello
if it's not the mpc, just a thought : could be the loss of relaxation potential, caused by stressed muscular fibers, neuromuscular potential... not to talk about hypothyroid that slows the muscular relaxation.
best
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long has your comeback been, so far?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Comeback has only been a couple of weeks. Thanks for all of the advice!

Dan
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dladore wrote:
Comeback has only been a couple of weeks. Thanks for all of the advice!

Dan


Dan, keep at it. A 3C is a great size. Not a fan of the Bach rim For any size but I’ll just leave it at that.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject: Correction - using a Bach 7C Reply with quote

Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!

Dan
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Correction - using a Bach 7C Reply with quote

dladore wrote:
Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!

Dan


Please see previous post where I say, "keep at it". If it's a little small...maybe consider the 3C and then, keep at it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Correction - using a Bach 7C Reply with quote

dladore wrote:
Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!

Dan

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The Bach 7C is also a mid-range size for many people. The difference between the 7C and 3C is not much.
Unless the 7C seems 'too big/small', or hurts - just keep using it!
It does not impose any limits as long as it is a reasonable fit on YOU.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

7C or 3C is fine to start out with. The fact you were playing a 7C but thought you were playing a 3C is, however, disconcerting.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
7C or 3C is fine to start out with. The fact you were playing a 7C but thought you were playing a 3C is, however, disconcerting.


"90% of playing is half mental." Yogi Berra
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozAJRo-_AG0

Warren Leuning at 1:38 on a 7C mouthpiece and a Bach ML 43.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a trumpet section.
Wayne on lead, Chuck Findley, Warren, and the other player I can't see well enough to identify.
You can be sure they are all using a correct mouthpiece for their job.
As a beginner, stay on what you have.
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Ed Kennedy
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One more thing. Adolph "Bud" Herseth played a 7(C, B?) until his face got smashed up in an auto accident in the 1950's. He went bigger to allow for scar tissue from the accident.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been told by a friend who studied with Bud and was an extra and section member on occasion that he won it on a NY 7B and the NY 7 and NY 7C were also used.
At the end of his career, he went back to them
I have an interview with Herseth when he says exactly what he used on the audition. As soon as I can find it, I'll post it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a comeback player too- starting playing again in 2000 after an almost 30 year layoff following an injury. I have recently discovered Curry mouthpieces and have found them to be a tremendous help in gaining endurance and range without sacrificing tone quality or anything else. And they are priced great vs. so many other options out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the interview with Herseth. It is from the Feb. 1995 Intl. Trumpet Guild interview.
Here is the quote.

"I played 7Cs and 7Bs. I had a couple of each but actually liked the 7B a little bit better because it has a little more of a V-shaped cup".

He goes on say after the accident in 52, the 7s got a bit tighter and he asked Bach to send him some bigger ones. Bach sent him the 1 series and the rest of the story is well known.

He mostly used screw rims and had all kinds of bottoms for them. The 1, 1B, 1C, 1D, and even a 1E when he needed something shrill sounding.

Curry's are a good choice, too.
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