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dladore Regular Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2019 Posts: 42 Location: Ocean Isle Beach, NC
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:41 pm Post subject: Am I using the right mouthpiece? |
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Coming back after a 40 plus year layoff. Using a used Bach TR300H2 with a Back 3C mouthpiece. Also using the Mitchell on Trumpet for my initial lessons. Surprisingly I’m doing pretty well with the mid and higher notes, but not with the lower notes as well as my “slurring” high to low. Mouthpiece seems a little small. Could it be the mouthpiece or do I just need more practice after my long layoff? If it is the mouthpiece what would you recommend for a 64-year-old coming back after so many years.
Thanks in advance, Dan
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RussellDDixon Heavyweight Member
Joined: 04 Apr 2014 Posts: 830 Location: Mason, OH
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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Mouthpieces are like shoes ... you have to determine what feels best to you. My opinion is try some different diameters to find what feels best to you. 10.5 C, 7C, 5C, 1C can easily be tried at most stores that carry Band instruments _________________ Schilke X3 Bb trumpet
Yamaha 631g Flugelhorn
Lynn Nicholson Model Monette Prana XLT mouthpiece
Kanstul Claude Gordon Personal mouthpiece |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3276 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Don't get too hung-up in trying to find the ideal mouthpiece. The goal for now should be one that seems to fit OK - not too big, not too small ... just 'decent'. And definitely one that doesn't cause any pain or injury to your lips.
And don't expect any mouthpiece to be the 'key' for upper range. Yes the mpc can help your endurance with playing in the upper range, but it's YOUR playing technique that gets you there - and NO it's NOT by extreme mpc pressure.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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A Bach 3C is big enough for now. Get used to it. Work on your overall lip building and the lower register should come. Don't get into the mouthpiece chase. You need to get your embouchure stabilized first. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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JetJaguar Heavyweight Member
Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 1504 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah you can't really go wrong with 3C, 5C, 7C. Use one of those and work on strengthening routines. Strong chops cure a multitude of ills. _________________ 1938 Martin Handcraft Imperial #2 bore, 38 bell
Connstellation 7B-N mouthpiece
I'm looking for a Connstellation 5C-N or 5B-N mouthpiece
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The Coady Strengthening Exercises: http://coady.coolwarm.com |
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JVL Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Feb 2016 Posts: 892 Location: Nissa, France
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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hello
if it's not the mpc, just a thought : could be the loss of relaxation potential, caused by stressed muscular fibers, neuromuscular potential... not to talk about hypothyroid that slows the muscular relaxation.
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 13 Oct 2008 Posts: 843 Location: Waikiki, Hawaii
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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How long has your comeback been, so far? _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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dladore Regular Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2019 Posts: 42 Location: Ocean Isle Beach, NC
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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Comeback has only been a couple of weeks. Thanks for all of the advice!
Dan |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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dladore wrote: | Comeback has only been a couple of weeks. Thanks for all of the advice!
Dan |
Dan, keep at it. A 3C is a great size. Not a fan of the Bach rim For any size but I’ll just leave it at that. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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dladore Regular Member
Joined: 09 Oct 2019 Posts: 42 Location: Ocean Isle Beach, NC
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:21 pm Post subject: Correction - using a Bach 7C |
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Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!
Dan |
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theslawdawg Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Correction - using a Bach 7C |
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dladore wrote: | Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!
Dan |
Please see previous post where I say, "keep at it". If it's a little small...maybe consider the 3C and then, keep at it. _________________ My go-to Trumpet and Flugel: Thane.
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3276 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Correction - using a Bach 7C |
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dladore wrote: | Sorry...I am using a 7C, not a 3C!
Dan |
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The Bach 7C is also a mid-range size for many people. The difference between the 7C and 3C is not much.
Unless the 7C seems 'too big/small', or hurts - just keep using it!
It does not impose any limits as long as it is a reasonable fit on YOU.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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7C or 3C is fine to start out with. The fact you were playing a 7C but thought you were playing a 3C is, however, disconcerting. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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HERMOKIWI wrote: | 7C or 3C is fine to start out with. The fact you were playing a 7C but thought you were playing a 3C is, however, disconcerting. |
"90% of playing is half mental." Yogi Berra |
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2003 Posts: 1473 Location: OHare area
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Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2019 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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What a trumpet section.
Wayne on lead, Chuck Findley, Warren, and the other player I can't see well enough to identify.
You can be sure they are all using a correct mouthpiece for their job.
As a beginner, stay on what you have.
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:43 am Post subject: |
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One more thing. Adolph "Bud" Herseth played a 7(C, B?) until his face got smashed up in an auto accident in the 1950's. He went bigger to allow for scar tissue from the accident. |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:19 am Post subject: |
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I've been told by a friend who studied with Bud and was an extra and section member on occasion that he won it on a NY 7B and the NY 7 and NY 7C were also used.
At the end of his career, he went back to them
I have an interview with Herseth when he says exactly what he used on the audition. As soon as I can find it, I'll post it.
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DMac New Member
Joined: 08 Mar 2018 Posts: 6 Location: Buffalo NY
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I am a comeback player too- starting playing again in 2000 after an almost 30 year layoff following an injury. I have recently discovered Curry mouthpieces and have found them to be a tremendous help in gaining endurance and range without sacrificing tone quality or anything else. And they are priced great vs. so many other options out there. _________________ 1934 Bach NY Strad, 1955 Mt. Vernon Strad, 1972 Elkhart Strad, Larson GFT
Conn NY Symphony Special, Vocabell, 38B & 8B
1938 Martin Handcraft Committee, others |
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Vin DiBona Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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I found the interview with Herseth. It is from the Feb. 1995 Intl. Trumpet Guild interview.
Here is the quote.
"I played 7Cs and 7Bs. I had a couple of each but actually liked the 7B a little bit better because it has a little more of a V-shaped cup".
He goes on say after the accident in 52, the 7s got a bit tighter and he asked Bach to send him some bigger ones. Bach sent him the 1 series and the rest of the story is well known.
He mostly used screw rims and had all kinds of bottoms for them. The 1, 1B, 1C, 1D, and even a 1E when he needed something shrill sounding.
Curry's are a good choice, too.
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