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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:59 pm    Post subject: Tight, focused, and efficient commercial backbores Reply with quote

I’m curious as to what those of you that like very tight and efficient commercial backbores have found most favorable for lead playing? For the past 10 years I have played on a Reeves Zinger, 692sL, 692s, and Pickett 10-5. My backbores all have 27 drills, and my top (very close to a Reeves 40S) has a 28 drill.

My Zinger backbore seems to be the most efficient of this bunch, but I am curious if there is anything out there that might even be slightly more efficient? What do you think might move me another step in the direction of even more efficient?

Warburton J29, H, etc.? Curry 50S? Legends Brass? Pickett C4 or V? I’d love to hear your thoughts!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ingram V Cup. Super tight backbore.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theslawdawg wrote:
The Ingram V Cup. Super tight backbore.


Do you know what the specific backbore Pickett puts on this? I am looking specifically for a backbore that has standard threading to use with my current top.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
theslawdawg wrote:
The Ingram V Cup. Super tight backbore.


Do you know what the specific backbore Pickett puts on this? I am looking specifically for a backbore that has standard threading to use with my current top.


From the website:

This is a standard length mouthpiece. The inner rim diameter is 0.609". The outer rim diameter is 1.020". The shank is equivalent to a Reeves 4.5 sleeve. This mouthpiece comes stock with a #30 drill
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider the Pickett R backbore. Excellent!!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have try everything you mentioned and Zinger is the best for me , Reeves makes the high efficiency line with more extra shallow cups and very tight bbores .

http://www.bobreeves.com/products/he/index.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matthew Anklan wrote:
Consider the Pickett R backbore. Excellent!!


Hey Matt. I've been using the 10-5 for a lot of shows (no real "lead" playing in my life).
Any comparisons between the R and the 10-5?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hello
i've personnally learned that until you try, you can't know. For my custom mpcs, what worked on paper didn't in reality. Marcinkiewicz or Bobby Shew told me it when i asked for them advices.
Advices can give you directions, but aren't not enough.
I hope anyway you'll get good practical workable ones.
good luck
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that there is definitely nothing like trying things out in person. Still, I am wanting to learn from others’ experiences. Particularly if people have had experience with the backbores I have played, and other backbores that might be another step or two in the direction of focused and efficient.

Matt, I have not heard of the Pickett R backbore. How does it compare the their 10-5? The 10-5 is one I know well and have played on gigs.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
I agree that there is definitely nothing like trying things out in person. Still, I am wanting to learn from others’ experiences. Particularly if people have had experience with the backbores I have played, and other backbores that might be another step or two in the direction of focused and efficient.

Matt, I have not heard of the Pickett R backbore. How does it compare the their 10-5? The 10-5 is one I know well and have played on gigs.


Eric (from Pickett) gave me this info. The commercial backbores would be more aggressive than the 10-5, but that the R would be closest to the 10-5 as far as sound/resistance.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

acritzer wrote:
Eric (from Pickett) gave me this info. The commercial backbores would be more aggressive than the 10-5, but that the R would be closest to the 10-5 as far as sound/resistance.


Thanks for this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve never had good results from any of these until I recently got a GR 64ES. It’s supposed to be GR’s improvent on the Shew lead.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
acritzer wrote:
Eric (from Pickett) gave me this info. The commercial backbores would be more aggressive than the 10-5, but that the R would be closest to the 10-5 as far as sound/resistance.


Thanks for this.


You bet. I also have the 10-5 and like using it for most show books. I've found it to be very interesting, offering tons of support, but also decently open if approached in a relaxed manner.
Pairing it with a 5D I am generally able to achieve most tone qualities that I need...in other words, it's not too laser beam bright.

Maybe for lead big band stuff one of the commercial bb would be better?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

acritzer wrote:
J-Walk wrote:
acritzer wrote:
Eric (from Pickett) gave me this info. The commercial backbores would be more aggressive than the 10-5, but that the R would be closest to the 10-5 as far as sound/resistance.


Thanks for this.


You bet. I also have the 10-5 and like using it for most show books. I've found it to be very interesting, offering tons of support, but also decently open if approached in a relaxed manner.
Pairing it with a 5D I am generally able to achieve most tone qualities that I need...in other words, it's not too laser beam bright.

Maybe for lead big band stuff one of the commercial bb would be better?


The 10-5 is a great backbore for me on SOME of my horns... and that really is at the core of my intent for the original post. I would definitely consider the 10-5 a commercial backbore. I have recently picked up an Adams A5 and love the sound and scale of the horn. I do find that it plays more open than my Calicchio, and I like that, but want to increase the blow resistance a little. The 10-5 is a bit open on this horn for my tastes, so for now the Zinger backbore provides the best balance. Used backbores are affordable enough to buy and resell if necessary, so I am glad to try a few different options.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve Patrick's C-27 and C-28 commercial backbores work very well for playing lead. For me, they put the resistance in the right spot for the Yamaha Shew trumpet and get plenty of volume without too much effort. It really makes the job of play lead much easier.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JVL wrote:
hello
i've personnally learned that until you try, you can't know. For my custom mpcs, what worked on paper didn't in reality. Marcinkiewicz or Bobby Shew told me it when i asked for them advices.
Advices can give you directions, but aren't not enough.
I hope anyway you'll get good practical workable ones.
good luck


Exactly my experience also, which is why I seldom offer recommendations in threads like this, what works for me might not for someone else.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:42 am    Post subject: Re: Tight, focused, and efficient commercial backbores Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
I’m curious as to what those of you that like very tight and efficient commercial backbores have found most favorable for lead playing?
As was already stated, what works for you may not for me...but since you asked-

The only one on your list that I've tried is the Reeves 692s, wasn't a fan. You
also mentioned that a backbore works on some of your horns, and I have found
exactly the same.

For example, the Warbuton H is perfect with one of my Benges, while the QM is
on another. The NY bb in combination with my Calicchio is a great combo! And
then, Greg Black custom backbores based on Giardinelli designs pair nicely with
Bach.

Each horn has a different leadpipe so I had to find the right combination of backbore
to optimize feel and efficiency. I don't have a favorite, it all depends on the gig
and the desired/necessary sound. Hope this helps!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Tight, focused, and efficient commercial backbores Reply with quote

Yamahaguy wrote:
J-Walk wrote:
I’m curious as to what those of you that like very tight and efficient commercial backbores have found most favorable for lead playing?
As was already stated, what works for you may not for me...but since you asked-

The only one on your list that I've tried is the Reeves 692s, wasn't a fan. You
also mentioned that a backbore works on some of your horns, and I have found
exactly the same.

For example, the Warbuton H is perfect with one of my Benges, while the QM is
on another. The NY bb in combination with my Calicchio is a great combo! And
then, Greg Black custom backbores based on Giardinelli designs pair nicely with
Bach.

Each horn has a different leadpipe so I had to find the right combination of backbore
to optimize feel and efficiency. I don't have a favorite, it all depends on the gig
and the desired/necessary sound. Hope this helps!


Thanks Yamahaguy. That is exactly my purpose in reaching out to learn of others’ experiences here... and thanks to you for going a step further. The Q-M/28 you sent is exactly what I was looking for to pair my lead top with my Adams A5. Slightly tighter and more efficient than my Zinger and really aids with a little extra focus and projection.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Tight, focused, and efficient commercial backbores Reply with quote

J-Walk wrote:
Yamahaguy wrote:
J-Walk wrote:
I’m curious as to what those of you that like very tight and efficient commercial backbores have found most favorable for lead playing?
As was already stated, what works for you may not for me...but since you asked-

The only one on your list that I've tried is the Reeves 692s, wasn't a fan. You
also mentioned that a backbore works on some of your horns, and I have found
exactly the same.

For example, the Warbuton H is perfect with one of my Benges, while the QM is
on another. The NY bb in combination with my Calicchio is a great combo! And
then, Greg Black custom backbores based on Giardinelli designs pair nicely with
Bach.

Each horn has a different leadpipe so I had to find the right combination of backbore
to optimize feel and efficiency. I don't have a favorite, it all depends on the gig
and the desired/necessary sound. Hope this helps!


Thanks Yamahaguy. That is exactly my purpose in reaching out to learn of others’ experiences here... and thanks to you for going a step further. The Q-M/28 you sent is exactly what I was looking for to pair my lead top with my Adams A5. Slightly tighter and more efficient than my Zinger and really aids with a little extra focus and projection.


Never tried the Q-M/28, but going to look into it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try a Patrick Commercial backbore, they are very efficient.
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