Yamaha C Trumpets

abbfuller · Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:04 am Post subject: Yamaha C Trumpets

Looking in buying a new C trumpet - I want something that matches my Bb which is a Bobby Shew. It's been sent to Yamaha to sound and play like a Chicago Bb but with the openness of the Bobby Shew. Going off this, which Yamaha C (NY, LA, CH) and which Gen would match this? Any insight from those who have played those horns and their experience would be appreciated.
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rjbirnbaum · Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:21 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't set my sights on matching a C trumpet to a Shew or a NY or any other Bflat. I have an 8310z, Bach 37, and 9335 Vizzutti. They are all much more similar to each other than any C trumpet. I played a Bach 229/25H since high school and it was never like any Bflat. I sold it and recently tried a Yamaha Chicago C and Bach Chicago C trumpets and found these two quite similar in playing and wound up getting a Bach Chicago which I really like but still find nothing like any of my Bflats. My suggestion is go try the Yamahas and Bachs and decide which you like best. A vast majority of successful pro players are playing one of these models.

Craig Swartz · Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:35 pm Post subject:

And you now want a C horn why???

I have a Yamaha Gen 1 Chicago that's a great instrument for symphony, small ensemble and solo work. It doen't play like my old Schilke B3 Bb, and for what I use it for, that's probably a good thing.

If you have a real reason for the C, know that you and it are going to need to become very well acquainted over a period of time, especially since this will be your first C. (Guessing...) Use it exclusively and learn to transpose from Bb right away. Learn whether or not you'll need the usual "standard" alternate fingerings for D, Eb and E (among others), learn not to fight it, and see after a while if opening up the back bore just a bit doesn't also help. If you're playing a Jet Tone MF, Reeves 42sv 692 or Schalke 14a4A you might consider trying something else on the C as well.

Personally, over the last 45 years or so I've never really had reason to have my C horns play like my Bb. Nor wanting my pic to play like a Bb, or my D/Eb. Good luck. Learning to play any C will be up to you.

adagiotrumpet · Heavyweight Member Joined: 31 May 2006 Posts: 903

Bb and C trumpets are two entirely different animals. If I had ever found a C trumpet that played and sounded like my Bb, I wouldn't really need the C trumpet in the first place, unless of course I was too lazy to transpose.

Voltrane · Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:08 pm Post subject:

In my opinion the BACH 238 vidabona sounds close to a Bb. I own one but as Mr. Swartz said, I am still waiting an opportunity to use it. When I need a C trumpet it is because I need a C sound so I use my 239.

zaferis · Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 5:10 am Post subject:

yeah, I think you shold be looking for a good C trumpet, not one that sounds like your current Bb.
I don't want my C to sound like my Bb.. if it did, why bother? Just learn to transpose, it's not that hard and cheaper.

Of the 3 you mentioned, I'd lean toward the NY setup.. but won't sound or play lke your Shew, but that's a good thing.. AND I would expect that over time you would tweak you mouthpiece setup to go with the C.. many find using the same mouthpiece on C and Bb isn't the best solution.

Also, I'd highly recommend that you look at a Bach 239 and especially the new 190 series Bach.
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AJCarter · Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:37 am Post subject: Re: Yamaha C Trumpets

Craig Swartz · Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Yamaha C Trumpets

kevin_soda · Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Yamaha C Trumpets

Fgonzales2 · New Member Joined: 10 Oct 2019 Posts: 7

as rediterated my lesson teacher always said that the c trumpet could be diffrent and that matching your Bb is key and everything else is your prefrence so see what you like
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Balio,thedogyeller · Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:13 am Post subject:

As GenIII is out, you should be able to get a Gen II for quite a reduced price from chronic upgraders.

Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

A Schilke C6 or C7 would be the closest. Also the '70's vintage Yamaha (Schilke clone) C trumpets. The Shew Bb has the same lineage.

Those would be fine for solo or chamber work. Not so much for orchestral.

Aspeyrer · Veteran Member Joined: 18 Nov 2019 Posts: 106

I’ve have better luck making a C play close to a Bb than the other way around.

cheiden · Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 5:08 pm Post subject:

First find a C that has the right sound. That's the most important thing. When I went through the exercise I fell hard for a Malone modified Bach 229 and really didn't enjoy most other Bach models and other makes. Even bought a Malone modified Yamaha C but sold it a few years later because it wasn't the horn I really felt I sounded best on.
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breden · Regular Member Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 33

I play the Shew horn as well. I was in the same boat a while back thinking of trying to find a step bore type of C trumpet (if that's possible). Was trying to find the old Schilke step bore C's that they used to make. No luck. What I did end up with is an older Yamaha pre Mark version of 6445. I love it. It isn't exactly the same blow as the Shew (this is large bore and its a C trumpet) but the Yamaha feel is there. Can't really explain that completely, but in the hand they feel similar and the sound is fantastic. I think the old 6000 series are underrated. So much so that recently I found a 6345G (new stock) in a store a few weeks ago. The 6000 series are still up on the Yamaha website but apparently not very available - when I've looked. Very happy with that purchase. For my opinion, I preferred the Yamaha 6000 series to both the Xeno and Artist model - but we are also talking a complete different price range. I did have a nice conversation with Bob Malone last summer at ITG and I did enquire about a Yamaha step bore C model ...... he thought it was intriguing. Might be an interesting project one day for chamber settings etc. Hope that helps.