King Symphony Super 20 Dual Bore

DMac · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:29 am Post subject: King Symphony Super 20 Dual Bore

I would like to know if the vintage King Symphony Super 20 Dual Bore trumpet was ever made with a yellow brass bell, instead of the "usual" silver bell?
Thanks
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JayKosta · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:44 am Post subject:

The model 1049 has a brass bell, the 1049S has sterling silver bell.
Info is from a King advertising poster at
www.hnwhite.com

I don't know if the model number is stamped anywhere on the instrument, I can't find it on my 1048. The 2nd valve casing is likely marked DB on the 1049 models.

Jay
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DMac · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:49 am Post subject:

Thanks Jay, would you say that the grass bell versions are rarer than the silver?
I had a chance to buy one a few weeks ago for $799 and passed it up.
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JayKosta · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:12 am Post subject:

I don't have any info or ideas about how many of the different versions were made, or whether one is more 'popular' than the other.

Jay
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PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
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bspickler · Posted: Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:14 pm Post subject:

I just cleaned up a King 600 from the mid 70s and found the serial numbers under the pads on the valve pistons. You might check there.
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The King Super-20 Symphony model was released in 1946 with the "dual bore" "DB" marking on second valve, a 1-piece brass bell and the model number 1049. The Symphony Silversonic with Sterling bell was designated model 1049S. Several years into production the bell changed to a 2-piece design, but the 1049 remained the "stock" model. 1049S Silversonics were at a premium price. In 1965 with the introduction of the Silver Flair, a dual bore prototype for the Flair line was created by HN White, but the company was sold before it could go into production. Nate Dolin opted to continue the Super-20 Symphony instead.
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iiipopes · Heavyweight Member Joined: 29 Jun 2015 Posts: 554

Yes, brass was the regular bell, and you could order the Symphony DB with either a sterling silver bell, sterling silver lead pipe, or both.
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