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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:14 pm    Post subject: Claude and Getzen Trumpets Reply with quote

A friend told me about an article he came across that contains reference to Claude playing a Getzen trumpet. I said i was pretty sure that Claude never played or endorsed Getzens and he sent me the article which is attached below and the link which seems to be the collection of all things Claude at the University of Illinois.

Maybe the article is incorrect as I thought Claude played a pre WW11 Besson Meha prior to developing the Benge and Selmer horns but this article refers to his Getzen trumpet that was primarily used by LA studio players in the 1960's.

Can any of the CG guys who knew him well clarify this?

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https://archon.library.illinois.edu/index.php?p=collections/findingaid&id=5558&q=&rootcontentid=66



Contains Claude Gordon's educational output including the thought behind his method books and their various drafts. There is correspondence between Claude and Herbert L. Clarke, which led to his writing Brass Playing is No Harder Than Deep Breathing. Also contained in this body of material are Claude's personal method books of well-known methodologies and pedagogy. Claude Gordon held an annual trumpet and brass clinic and has kept his notes and video and audio tapes of these years. Claude Gordon also had a large collection of historical cornets and trumpets, and a series of historical mouthpieces. Of primary importance is the Besson prototype. [b]A trumpet enthusiast will also take note of his Getzen trumpet that was primarily used by the Los Angelos studio artists in the 1960's.[/b] There is also a Selmer Paris trumpet that originally belonged to Louis Armstrong and then was passed on to Harry James. Claude Gordon also has a large collection of mouthpieces for both cornet and trumpet. A small collection of them have been cut in half, or spliced, so he could learn how they were made and why certain mouthpiece designs are more effective than others.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:09 am    Post subject: Re: Claude and Getzen Trumpets Reply with quote

EricV wrote:
Of primary importance is the Besson prototype. A trumpet enthusiast will also take note of his Getzen trumpet that was primarily used by the Los Angelos studio artists in the 1960's. ...

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That only indicates that he owned one, not that he used it professionally. Are there other indicators about how (or if) he used the Getzen?
Without further details, it's difficult to determine what conclusions to draw.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think its saying that at all, its saying he produced and developed a Getzen trumpet that was used by LA studio players. Have you heard of a CG Getzen?. The studio players would hardly be using Claudes own instrument!!

I just think its an error
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand now ...
the question is whether the mention of a possible 'Getzen CG model trumpet' was in error.

I read the wording to say that CG owned some model Getzen trumpet, and that same Getzen model was used by LA players. I have no idea about either situation.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Jay,

Thats what i was trying to say (I probably could have expressed it better!)

If it is as we think an error, i just thought maybe one of the ex CG guys JohnM, JeffP, EricB etc might have some input. I havent seen them around here much lately come to think of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
I understand now ...
the question is whether the mention of a possible 'Getzen CG model trumpet' was in error.

I read the wording to say that CG owned some model Getzen trumpet, and that same Getzen model was used by LA players. I have no idea about either situation.

Jay


That's how I read it as well. I knew him, and he never mentioned working with Getzen to develop a trumpet. It was Benge, and then Selmer USA for his two different models.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
I read the wording to say that CG owned some model Getzen trumpet, and that same Getzen model was used by LA players.


And that is the correct interpretation. Claude had many horns and even more mouthpieces. He used to cut mouthpiece lengthwise to analyze them. And he took apart many of the horns he owned. He admired the Getzen Eterna but didn't play it much if at all during his career.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Audino played a large bore Eterna. Snooky Young played an Eterna as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

John Mohan wrote:
... Claude had many horns and even more mouthpieces. He used to cut mouthpiece lengthwise to analyze them. And he took apart many of the horns he owned. He admired the Getzen Eterna but didn't play it much if at all during his career.


I bet Claude Gordon Played a lot of trumpets during his time. It is surprising to hear about him analyzing mouthpieces so much, given his often repeated advice that seemed to boil down to "just pick one and learn to play it". He clearly had ideas about what a mouthpiece should be like - GC mouthpieces are the evidence.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what wrote:
... his (CG's) often repeated advice that seemed to boil down to "just pick one and learn to play it". He clearly had ideas about what a mouthpiece should be like - GC mouthpieces are the evidence.

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Perhaps he meant 'pick one that YOU like and learn' - not 'use what ever one you happen to grab'.
And once you've found one that you like, don't keep searching unless it starts causing problems.

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