Found my lead, looking for an all around

botahoratiu

Hi
I finally found my lead piece after ... let's say ... 19 years. It seems that the Yamaha Bobby Shew Lead fits me best, and I tried a lot of mouthpieces. I like the rim, the resistance I get with my Eterna Bb. That bing said, I need an all around piece, because the sound of the Shew is too bright (although I like it a lot) for solos in church and small brass ensembles like quintets. I recently found out that a Yamaha 11B4 could do the job well enough, meaning the sound is very nice. But it takes too much air and the endurance and high register are suffering. Please don't advice me to get stronger on this last piece, because this is not what I am looking for. I just need a piece wich has roughtly the same resistance, same aproximative rim diameter and a tad deeper cup. The 11B4 seems to have too broad of a backbore.
My question is: do you hapen to know a mouthpiece that meets the above mentioned specs?
Thank you a lot!
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JVL · Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:03 am Post subject:

hello
in their standard serie, Marcinkiewicz 5 to 10 are very very very close rim wise than the Shew lead, with deeper cups (5 being a C cup, and the 10 being like a 3C cup depth)
Depending on what you want, you can order them in standard (27 throat, standard bb), or with a 26 throat & symphonic bb.
My classical mpcs ( Marcinkiewicz customs) have a 26 throat & symph bb.
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botahoratiu · Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:07 am Post subject:

As I said before, any standard backbore feels too open for me
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JVL · Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:55 am Post subject:

For me, Marc. standard bb is too tight for me, as the standard 27 throat (even if my lead mpc has a 28 throat and the graduate C bb).
And this was not the case with the other mpcs i owned from Bach or Yamaha.

So, what the paper tells you, will not translate in reality with you.
I suggest then that you give a try to the "6 10 1/2" model, with the standard throat & bb

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MiddleStaff · Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:36 pm Post subject:

Here’s what Yamaha has on their site for the Shrew Lead:
Rim Inner Diameter: 16.54㎜
Rim Contour: Semi-round
Rim Thickness: Semi-thick
Cup Depth: Very shallow
Throat: 3.56㎜
Backbore: Narrow

A close match (on paper) appears to be their Rod Franks model:
Rim Inner Diameter: 16.82㎜
Rim Contour: Semi-flat
Rim Thickness: Semi-thick
Cup Depth: Standard
Throat: 3.91㎜
Backbore: Narrow

This might give you more warmth with the resistance you are used to with the openness of your Eterna.
Of course, try try try.
Your experience with their standard pieces confirmed my suspicion that the backbone is normally bigger than the Custom ones like your Shrew Lead.
Apologies as I understand your frustration that vendors don’t post exact specs, only generalized descriptions like “narrow”.
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delano · Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:11 am Post subject:

I'm a long time Yamaha mouthpiece player and the 11B4 is quite a tight mouthpiece, in fact meant for high trumpets. The throat is tight, the backbore semi-narrow like a lot of the Yamaha middle sized (I mean cups) pieces.
If the 11B4 is too open, with a too broad backbore and it needs too much air and both endurance and range are suffering then there is no solution for your wish. You could try a Warburton 6M cup with a very narrow backbore, 3,4 or 5, you'll have to try.
But I really don't think you will find a solution in any hardware, I'm afraid it's the player not the mouthpiece.

JVL · Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2019 2:31 am Post subject:

I already suggested to botahoratiu in previous threads to try the Marc. Shew, but apparently he didn't.
What i can tell you for sure because i have these infos from Graham Middleton from Marcinkiewicz, is that Shew 1 & 1.25 have the graduate C bb (the more open of the graduate bbs), while the 1.5, 1.75 & 2 have standard bb and are tighter, which i had felt, reason why i asked for the same graduate C bb on my custom mpcs based on these models.

From my experience, Marcinkiewicz standard bbs feel tighter than in other brands.
That's why i suggested him to give a try to the Marcinkiewicz 5, 6 10 1/2, 7, 8, 9 or 10 standard serie mpcs.

Delano is right too, and if the above mpcs don't suit to botahoratiu, things will be more difficult.

I think then it'd be interesting for him to contact Dario Frate, since he's in Milano & botahoratiu in Romania. Dario has a lot of combinations to offer and do custom work now.
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botahoratiu · Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:20 pm Post subject:

I have tried the Shew 1 and the Shew 1,5. The 1.5 seems a bit too open. It's hard to explain... it takes to much air. The Yamaha lead fits perfectly to me...just a bit too bright. I think I need the extra resistance from the backbore or from the throat. Also, I could be wrong.
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botahoratiu · Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:29 pm Post subject:

cheiden · Posted: Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:12 pm Post subject:

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JVL · Posted: Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:49 am Post subject:

horatiu,
the shew 1.5's bb is tighter than the shew 1.
I think you should write to Marcinkiewicz and explain your issue, they're very helpful and know their stuff.

Contact Dario Frate too, because he's in Italy so not too far from you. He has a multi-gap system that, in coordination with all the combinations he offers (rims, cups, throats, bbs) can solve your issue.

Why not try your mpcs with tighter horn, just to see how you feel with such combination ?

botahoratiu · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:11 pm Post subject:

JVL · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:30 pm Post subject:

who replied to you ?
The infos i got is that the Shew 1 & 1.25 have a GC (graduate C bb, the deeper cut in this serie, for a more open and free feeling) and the 1.5 & 1.75 & 2 have the graduate B bb (graduate standard bb).

And very important, this matches my feelings because i've never felt comfy blowingwise with these last mpcs. My custom mpcs based on these pieces had to be bb altered here by a tech that opened the bottom part of the bbs.

Currently, Marcinkewicz are altering my mpcs to get them the Shew 1 graduate C bb

botahoratiu · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:42 pm Post subject:

Here's the emailI got:
"Hello Bota,

Thank you for your email. The 3 mouthpiece you listed do all share the same Rim and Throat dimensions.

The E14 Shew 1 and the E10.3 Shew 1.25 both have the same backbore. The E9.1 Shew 1.5 has a slightly larger backbore, which is shares with the E8.4 Shew 1.75 and the E5 Shew 2.

The main difference between all of the Shew mouthpieces in the cup depth.

Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

Cheers,"
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TKSop · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:49 pm Post subject:

botahoratiu · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:21 pm Post subject:

I am aware of that too, thanks. I try too be open minded throught this experience. We'll see how it solves out.
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JVL · Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:46 pm Post subject:

i think they wrote a mistake, 'cause they sent me this info
The E14 Shew 1 and E10.3 Shew 1.25 use the GC 28 backbore configuration
> >

> > The E9.1 Shew 1.5 and E8.4 Shew 1.75 use the GB 28 backbore configuration

> > The E5 Shew 2 uses the GB 27 backbore configuration

plus all the different bbs infos. A being the shallower cut (more resistance), B the standard, C the deeper cut (more open and free blowing)

And believe me these infos match my feelings

bach_again · Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:54 am Post subject:

Hey mate,

There's so many factors at play, and even though I have been right where you are (YSL, wanting a bigger sound for standard playing) I can't really say what to try because I will play totally different to anyone besides myself!

Consider trying a few things, narrower/wider ID, C cup, V cup, all sizes of BBs etc... it's the same quest for sound you were on when you found the YSL for lead style playing.

The Ingram Lead 2 might be worth a look. Later if I remember I will compare mine to the YSL.

Maybe try the Marc pieces too. If a shop carries them.

Personally I find GR a great fit these days. I use a 62M and MX for everything. They have a good resistance, and whatever science they douse this with works. Maybe a 63 rim would be a good place to start as the YSL is a little wider than what I was used to. If you like flat rims get the e cup. I find this wider rim opens up the blow having compared back to back standard and e rim. I prefer the standard rim profile and higher resistance. Perhaps try a 63MS or S as the YSL is very shallow - you don't wanna get a bucket off the bat, primal for more resistance. 62 rim for even more resistance.

Good luck!
Mike
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