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Stradbrother
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:55 pm    Post subject: Small personal breakthrough that might help you. Reply with quote

Hey TH!

Just had a little breakthrough while playing through my daily Faddis range exercises (really just arpeggios at pianissimo). I have a degree on the horn and play professionally, even though my range has been stuck at an E (on Bb horn) most of my life.

While practicing I noticed that the center of my teeth is actually slightly off to the left of the center of my face. Nothing you’d ever be able to notice unless you’re a dentist.

I’ve always played in the center of my lips, as you should, but when I started topping out at an E like usual (everything above that comes out as a whistle, no vibration), I decided to put the horn off to the left about 1/4-1/2 an inch and all of a sudden, F, G, and a little bit of an A comes out.

Crazy.

My issue was never airstream or tongue arch, but my lips would just refuse to vibrate that fast and a whistle would come out. Changing to the center of my teeth gave me a few easy notes.

Maybe analyzing where the center of your teeth are might help you too!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that reflection.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how many players actually play exactly in the center of their lips. I read somewhere that each person has a natural position that may not be the center of the lips. I know I play just ever so slightly off center. I have seen people playing very far to one side. Just off the top of my head, I think I have seen many people playing slightly off center. I am going to have to observe this in videos I watch from here on out.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Playing exactly centered may be best for some players and not best for others. Lots of great players have played off center. It's an individual thing.

One thing that may be happening to the OP is that moving a little off center might be increasing resistance through the embouchure slightly, making the upper register easier. I've noticed that in my own playing.

Just a possibility to consider.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Playing exactly centered may be best for some players and not best for others. Lots of great players have played off center. It's an individual thing.

One thing that may be happening to the OP is that moving a little off center might be increasing resistance through the embouchure slightly, making the upper register easier. I've noticed that in my own playing.

Just a possibility to consider.


That's what I think might be happening!

What is surprising with playing in the center of my teeth rather than my lips is my tone has not changed at all oddly enough. Everything else feels perfectly fine and relaxed.

Really wished I figured this out in undergrad!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had always played off to the left, from my POV, and had a big sound but limited range, F, F# at best. I was in Vegas a few years ago and after corresponding with Lynn Nicholson, invited him for a coffee to talk trumpet, life in NV, life in general. We got to his MF Protocol method, and I mentioned that I thought it might not be for me; not being a lead player by nature, he got it, but he asked to look at my teeth and exclaimed, "you should be playing off to the right." I exclaimed, "huh?" He said you've got to find the best way for the air to get to the chops, or words to that effect. For the record, I don't use his method, but it certainly works for him and Maynard.

I got home and started experimenting, moving the mpc over some. To my delight, high Gs and As started popping, then double C's!...not under all circumstances, so don't get wise and pass me the lead book! But Lynn claimed he was rarely wrong in seeing what he sees. Since then, it's more reliable, but not a cornerstone of my playing. Nevertheless.....experiment!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Small personal breakthrough that might help you. Reply with quote

Stradbrother wrote:
Hey TH!

Just had a little breakthrough while playing through my daily Faddis range exercises (really just arpeggios at pianissimo). I have a degree on the horn and play professionally, even though my range has been stuck at an E (on Bb horn) most of my life.

While practicing I noticed that the center of my teeth is actually slightly off to the left of the center of my face. Nothing you’d ever be able to notice unless you’re a dentist.

I’ve always played in the center of my lips, as you should, but when I started topping out at an E like usual (everything above that comes out as a whistle, no vibration), I decided to put the horn off to the left about 1/4-1/2 an inch and all of a sudden, F, G, and a little bit of an A comes out.

Crazy.

My issue was never airstream or tongue arch, but my lips would just refuse to vibrate that fast and a whistle would come out. Changing to the center of my teeth gave me a few easy notes.

Maybe analyzing where the center of your teeth are might help you too!




What's happened is that you've accidentally put your upper lip in a position relative to your teeth and the mouthpiece where the flesh has more elastic properties. Bingo! The High G comes out. In fact over time I'll bet that you'll even find it fairly easy to play these notes.

Now as to whether others will find a similar benefit? My guess is that most won't while some will. It's kinda like putting on a pair of running shoes that finally fit you. All your life you'd bought size 8 shoes and never felt comfortable. Then one day the store is out of size 8s so you must buy a size 9 and they fit great.

However most men have different sized feet. In this analogy most trumpet players won't find that they have the same suppleness in the upper lip in the same area where you found yours. So your suggestion will be met with mixed results.

But heck I'm a total believer in experimentation.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
Playing exactly centered may be best for some players and not best for others. Lots of great players have played off center. It's an individual thing.


I agree that it's probably an individual thing. I find that playing just slightly off-center toward my right works best for me. But that's just for my particular lip and teeth configuration. I doubt that it's an across-the-board recommendation for everyone.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Small personal breakthrough that might help you. Reply with quote

Stradbrother wrote:
"I’ve always played in the center of my lips, as you should,...

This makes me slightly nuts. While I would caution players from going too far off-center it seems to me that allowing the horn to float a bit usually results in something other than dead centered. Forcing a dead centered horn angle just because you think you should can, as you've found, limit your development.

And don't get me started on horn angle.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just an update on progress, and some inspiration if you have been stuck for a while.

Moving slightly off center has helped me tremendously. Range is now up to a G, higher than it has ever been, and those notes dont feel high. No tension or worry, it comes out like It should at any dynamic.

Experiment around! Especially if it feels like you hit a wall like I was stuck on for years.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Small personal breakthrough that might help you. Reply with quote

Stradbrother wrote:
Hey TH!


I’ve always played in the center of my lips, as you should,


WRONG ... YOU play where the mouthpiece naturally rest on your chops. There are numerous high level professional trumpet players who DO NOT play dead center on their chops. Same goes for horn angle etc. YOU are an individual ... find what works for you.
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