Finding a replacement for an antique mouthpiece...

mark5009

Hi, all.

Newbie here. Well, someone who has come back to the horn after far too many years not playing. Anyhow...

I inherited an antique Holton New Proportion cornet (1912) from my grandfather. It is in overall excellent condition and mostly playable though, in deference to its age I tend to let it be. So, to get my chops back into shape I picked up a Thomann CR-400, and have been pleasantly surprised with it. Certainly for the bucks it is hard to beat, but the mouthpiece is horrible.

Funny thing is the original mouthpiece from the Holton sounds excellent on Thomann. A rich full cornet sound that makes me smile. I also have a Wick 4B, which give a fine sound but I find my endurance and range more limited than with the Holton (it is marked "Frank Holton 30"). And this got me to wondering if there is a modern equivalent of the Holton?

Some basic measurements (taken with a dial caliper):

+ cup 15.7mm
+ rim 5.4mm
+ depth 14.4mm
+ bore 6.9mm

Given it's an American mouthpiece, would a Bach 11A or 11B fit the bill? Or is there something else out there that's closer?

Thanks in advance!
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cgaiii · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:59 pm Post subject:

I am not sure about people doing this in Australia, but you can have the mouthpiece copied. There are a number of people who can do this in the US. would think there might be someone down under too.
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Ed Kennedy · Heavyweight Member Joined: 15 Jan 2005 Posts: 3187

The primary measurement for mouthpieces is the inside diameter (ID).
Cup depth is the next most important measurement. The problem is that manufacturers don't always measure the same way. Where does the rim stop and the cup begin? Then there is the matter of rim width and contour, wide and flat? narrow and rounded? sharp or soft bite?
I think you will get in the ballpark with matching the ID. Look for a deep cup (like the Wick) Something like a Yamaha 11E, Bach 7A or 10 1/2 A might work for you. Also the Bach no-letter pieces (6 or 7) are deep cup shapes, less funnel shaped. The Curry and Warburton and Stork web sites might give you some insight. http://www.currympc.com/
https://storkcustom.com/ http://www.warburton-usa.com/

mark5009 · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:52 pm Post subject:

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cgaiii · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:06 pm Post subject:

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Beyond16 · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:34 pm Post subject:

mark5009 · Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:47 pm Post subject:

Andy Cooper · Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 1:23 pm Post subject:

In case you can't find just what you want in a currently made cornet mouthpiece, you might consider re-making a fluglehorn mouthpiece. They are deeper than any Bach A cup but shallower than the Wick mouthpieces.

Plenty of opportunity to use your lathe to turn down the shank. I've made some playable cornet mouthpieces from Bach fluglehorn mpcs this way that are closer to the "egg cupped" mouthpieces found with old cornets.

delano · Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:40 am Post subject:

A 6.9 bore? That's bigger than my trombone mouthpieces.

BTW the size 30 is mentioned here:

https://www.horn-u-copia.net/mouthpieces/index.php

choose Holton and screw down to 1902-1918

Tpt_Guy · Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 10:44 am Post subject: