CSA Bugle Mouthpiece Question

petenerch · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:16 am Post subject: CSA Bugle Mouthpiece Question

Passing along a question: Anyone know if a CSA bugle mouthpiece is the same size as that of a standard Bb trumpet mouthpiece?

Thanks for any help you can give. Take care and stay well everyone!

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bean_counter · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:00 pm Post subject:

I'm not sure of what you mean by a CSA bugle, unless you are talking about a US civil war 'style' reproduction bugle with a CSA badge on it. These are typically copies of an M1855 British Duty Bugle. Which incidentally were never used in the civil war, but are widely sold as "civil war" bugles. Pretty sure M1855 duty bugles have their own mouthpiece shank/receiver size.

If it's not that, I'm not sure what bugle it is.
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James Becker · Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:35 pm Post subject:

I’m going to speculate that it’s a typo, BSA or Boy Scouts of America bugle.

Though the mouthpiece supplied is usually shorter, I see no reason you couldn’t use your trumpet mouthpiece.
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Richard A · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:07 am Post subject:

lukeypoo · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:52 am Post subject:

By CSA, do you mean Confederate States of America?

cgaiii · Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:12 am Post subject:

Don't know anything about CSA or BSA bugles, but my Kanstul bugle takes a standard trumpet mouthpiece. I would assume that most modern bugles do so, but a genuine Civil War bugle could be totally different, if that is what you have.
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harryjamesworstnightmare · Veteran Member Joined: 04 Mar 2010 Posts: 167

I had a Rexcraft BSA bugle and found that I liked Bach flugelhorn mouthpiece the best. It gave a better tone overall.
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Dale Proctor · Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:37 pm Post subject:

The U.S. Regulation, BSA, and fake CSA/British duty “Gunga Din” bugles will all accept a trumpet mouthpiece pretty well. Just about any trumpet mouthpiece is an improvement over the mouthpiece shaped objects that come with them.
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Speed · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:37 am Post subject:

I play bugle at Civil War reenactments. Bugles from the Civil War era, and accurate reproductions of them, do not use modern trumpet mouthpieces. A shank with a bigger diameter is necessary.

The mouthpiece that came with my reproduction bugle was absolutely awful. Jim New made me one that works great. He has a blank that looks very much like the originals.

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nltrumpet · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:27 am Post subject:

In my experience, a flugelhorn mouthpiece has a slightly better fit with my bugle. The receiver was worn down a bit (someone shoved an old Holton trumpet mpc in it). Kelly makes mouthpieces with a shank specially designed to fit the old regulations but is much more playable than the one that comes with them, but the right flugel piece will probably get you far enough.

Speed · Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:06 am Post subject:

Don't hold me to this, but I believe Jim New told me that the shank on the mouthpiece he made for my reproduction Civil War bugle was close to that of a trombone. From our conversations, he had apparently made mouthpieces for bugles of that era (or reproductions) before.

To put it in perspective, a modern trumpet or flugelhorn mouthpiece will insert into the receiver of my bugle nearly to the cup.

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Marc Speed