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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:02 am Post subject: Can I use this valve oil? |
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I've been told there's really no difference between Yamaha and Hetman's oils, which I already have, but I just got a Getzen Eterna and I was wondering if I can use these oils on the Getzen, too. Thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:19 am Post subject: Valve oil |
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I haven't found any difference between the two synthetic valve oils. What formula do you use? On all the instruments I have owed, used the lightest oil. Both are excellent valve oils.
I use La Tromba #1 synthetic oil on both of my instruments. _________________ No musical instrument at this time. |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Dec 2013 Posts: 609 Location: Oakville, CT
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Can I use this valve oil? |
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kehaulani wrote: | I've been told there's really no difference between Yamaha and Hetman's oils, which I already have, but I just got a Getzen Eterna and I was wondering if I can use these oils on the Getzen, too. Thanks. |
I don't think you'd have any trouble as long as any old oil is washed off and cases clean, Kehaulani.
I ran numerous oils through my 900. One that worked and works the best for it is Monster Doc's Juice. Fitting.
Enjoy the horn. If you're lucky, you'll feel like somebody poured you into a jet cockpit. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Would you guys use Hetman's #1 or #2. Thanks. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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kehaulani wrote: | Would you guys use Hetman's #1 or #2. Thanks. |
Probably 2, that would be my guess; I use that on my ‘79 Benge and Wild Thing (the Benge had a valve rebuild).
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:26 pm Post subject: Valve oil |
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According to their website :#1 light formula is for close tight tolerance valves, #2 standard tolerance for standard tolerance, #3 Vintage loose tolerance valves
When I used their valve oil I used #1 light formula.If it had silicone in the formula would use it. That is why I use la tromba or monster oil. _________________ No musical instrument at this time. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: Valve oil |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com wrote: | According to their website :#1 light formula is for close tight tolerance valves, #2 standard tolerance for standard tolerance, #3 Vintage loose tolerance valves |
This is a brand new Getzen Eterna. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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Shifty Veteran Member
Joined: 23 Feb 2013 Posts: 248 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: Valve oil |
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kehaulani wrote: | jondrowjf@gmail.com wrote: | According to their website :#1 light formula is for close tight tolerance valves, #2 standard tolerance for standard tolerance, #3 Vintage loose tolerance valves |
This is a brand new Getzen Eterna. |
When I got my brand new Getzen Eterna cornet, I used up the bottle of Getzen oil that came with it. After that I switched to Hetmans. The horn worked equally well with #1 and with #2. I'm currently using the #2 based on the philosophy that you should use the thickest oil that provides good action.
I also use Hetmans #2 on my 1997 Eterna 700. It's also fine with #3, but with that I can tell the difference. So I only use #3 on horns that were made when I was still in grade school.
It's only $7 a bottle -- buy all three and experiment. None of them will hurt the horn, although you'll probably end up using the #3 to thin the grease on your third valve tuning slide. _________________ Getzen Eterna 700, Eterna 800
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks again, guys. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Personally, I prefer the new Ultra-Pure, but most oils are fine. Whatever works for you is what works for you.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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Dayton Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:05 am Post subject: |
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I've used Hetman #1 and #2 on new Getzens with good results. The #2 oil is not so thick that it slows your new valves down, and the #1 oil is not so thin that it needs to be reapplied frequently, or results in any signs of wear. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 7:31 am Post subject: Re: Valve oil |
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kehaulani wrote: | jondrowjf@gmail.com wrote: | According to their website :#1 light formula is for close tight tolerance valves, #2 standard tolerance for standard tolerance, #3 Vintage loose tolerance valves |
This is a brand new Getzen Eterna. |
Oh, then since it’s new, if it was me, I would try #2 first. Mostly because I use #2 on two horns that have fairly recently rebuilt valves.
Off topic, but I would be interested in hearing how you like the new Eterna in comparison to the older ones, once you’ve had time to play it for a while.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Posts: 8965 Location: Hawai`i - Texas
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Valve oil |
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Brad361 wrote: | Off topic, but I would be interested in hearing how you like the new Eterna in comparison to the older ones, once you’ve had time to play it for a while. |
Brad, I'm likely not the best to say. I've had two major strokes and playing now is a struggle.
This new horn is lacquered, not silver, (if that makes a difference to some), and it seems to me to be a little darker. Not dark, but with a certain brilliance toned down a little.
To me, it's a superb horn. I would use it any setting, just maybe changing mouthpieces, and I would use another horn if it was for a professional symphony orchestra. Otherwise I think it's super for most playing.
p.s. just a little more background. I used my first Getzen Eterna (Severinsen) as a student at North Texas, then for two years in a service band and, simultaneously, in a "soul" band. It worked well in all situations I needed. My new one seems, to me, to be just a little more versatile. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: |
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I used Yamaha light for years and IF it's the same as Hetman (I also heard that story) I have to say that I prefer La Tromba T2. I use the special and the light version now for quite some time and it's better than Hetman/Yamaha in the meaning that it don't make a residu on the pistons like the Yamaha oil does, especially when you leave the horn for some time in the case.
But on my rotary horns I use all kind of Hetman oils, works great. |
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LittleRusty Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | I used Yamaha light for years and IF it's the same as Hetman (I also heard that story) I have to say that I prefer La Tromba T2. I use the special and the light version now for quite some time and it's better than Hetman/Yamaha in the meaning that it don't make a residu on the pistons like the Yamaha oil does, especially when you leave the horn for some time in the case.
But on my rotary horns I use all kind of Hetman oils, works great. |
Do you know if the issue with two different companies selling La Tromba oil has been settled? I assume you are using the original. |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Valve oil |
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kehaulani wrote: | Brad361 wrote: | Off topic, but I would be interested in hearing how you like the new Eterna in comparison to the older ones, once you’ve had time to play it for a while. |
Brad, I'm likely not the best to say. I've had two major strokes and playing now is a struggle.
This new horn is lacquered, not silver, (if that makes a difference to some), and it seems to me to be a little darker. Not dark, but with a certain brilliance toned down a little.
To me, it's a superb horn. I would use it any setting, just maybe changing mouthpieces, and I would use another horn if it was for a professional symphony orchestra. Otherwise I think it's super for most playing.
p.s. just a little more background. I used my first Getzen Eterna (Severinsen) as a student at North Texas, then for two years in a service band and, simultaneously, in a "soul" band. It worked well in all situations I needed. My new one seems, to me, to be just a little more versatile. |
Thank you for the insight on the new one. And even if your playing today is difficult for you, obviously you have an experience level and extensive background that makes your opinion on the new Eterna valuable.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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No problem, Brad. _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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mdarnton Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm using Ultrapure in my 907, no issues. Switched from Getzen without a hitch. |
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:02 am Post subject: |
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A little extra wrinkle on oils.
Oils are often miscible this means mixable.
If both are paraffin based they will mix if both are mineral oil based they should mix if both are synthetic they should mix.
Oils from the same maker such as hetmans will mix. The difference is only the viscosity.
This means if you discover hetmans 1 to be too light and hetmans 2 to be too heavy you can mix hetmans 1 and 2 and end up with hetmans 1 1/2 and have perfect results every time.
The only problem is getting it back in the goddam bottles.
Clue here, an old mineral oil bottle flushed out can be useful. |
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jondrowjf@gmail.com Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 6:26 am Post subject: Cleaning trumpet |
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Throughly clean valves and valve block, before applying new valve oils. Use isopropyl alcohol on the valves, valve holes, bottom caps, inside of valve block. The valve oil I use on both of Getzen horns is Latromba #1 valve oil _________________ No musical instrument at this time. |
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