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improver
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:25 am    Post subject: Anyone like and use Blue juice valve oil? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:35 am    Post subject: Blue Juice Reply with quote

Years ago I worked at the Woodwind and Brasswind in NYC. (long gone) Phil Smith bought a few bottles. I figured if it was good enough for him it was good enough for me. Been using it ever since.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if it's Blue Juice, but one brand of valve oil smells like commercial toilet cleaner to me.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes - I've used it for years on different horns - monel and plated. I find it a very "smooth" oil. I can't attest to it being blazingly fast since I am not. I think there is a slight build up over time which I like. I'm always annoyed when I get a horn chem cleaned and have to start over with the oiling process until it feels right. Normal cleaning with Dawn dish soap does not strip the oil.

I have a trombone playing friend who uses Blue Juice too. It must work fairly well - he plays 8th position from time to time...

I have only found one horn it doesn't work on - on 50's Conn. For it I had to switch to La Tromba
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably the all around best oil. Its like car oils...a highly charged topic. It does appear to keep the horn cleaner. It lasts a long time. If you have a horn where valve clearances are high. Its not the best choice. I have a couple horns that Blue juice will require more frequent oiling on one particular valve.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have never had a problem using blue juice. Has worked very well on every instrument I own.

Its smell is also less offensive than other oils i have used.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve got a couple bottles. I hate the stuff. Produces sticky valves on whatever I use it on. Just no good for me. I love the smell though. And I do use it on other mechanical things. It seems to keep my reels running smooth and just like WD40 it’s an excellent fish attractant
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
I don't know if it's Blue Juice, but one brand of valve oil smells like commercial toilet cleaner to me.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like blue juice, it made my valves feel great while it was freshly applied and within hours they were sticky again.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've said it many times here on TH, I think Blue Juice is garbage - the worst valve oil I've ever used or seen. Even the generic store brand oil is better because - at worst - it will simply evaporate and not lubricate as opposed to sludge and gunk up your horn.

This is not only my opinion, but the opinion of every brass tech I've talked to locally. They've expressed that opinion to me freely, without me prompting them on an opinion on Blue Juice specifically. Several techs actually said - if someone comes in to the shop with valve issues, I'd bet your there's a bottle of this $^%^ in there.

Rather than retyping my previous thoughts, I'll quote one here:

Crazy Finn wrote:
To elaborate on my previous brief statement:

I have personally used Blue Juice on my own horns and also used it and/or found it used in student's and school instruments. With only one or two exceptions, it has caused sluggish and sticky valves and produced an inordinate amount of sludge in the valves. Frankly, most of the time it works about the same as when one of my student's accidentally put Selmer Slide Grease on his valves - terrible. If I get a school instrument and it's got slow-mo valves, when I look in the case there's often a bottle of Blue Juice in there.

Now, of course, some will say that one must thoroughly clean one's valves before applying. Well, yes, I have done that with my own and some school horns with the same results. Also, I'll note that an oil that plays so poorly with others is a poor choice to use with school instruments that don't get cleaned often and go through many hands over the years.

Once, I had a student with a Baritone and it had very poor moving valves. I cleaned them, tried different oils to no avail. Finally I cleaned them and gave her a bottle of Blue Juice. It worked! It's officially the only time I know of when it improved the performance of valves rather than inhibited. So, the moral of the story: there's probably a valve oil out there for everyone, and also there is also some out there who actually can use Blue Juice successfully.

If you look through old threads on Blue Juice, there are many that echo my experiences. Frankly, I'm surprised that there are several positive comments on Blue Juice on this thread. Like I mentioned above, I suppose it must work sometimes.

Anyway, here's a short list of valves oils that are notably better than Blue Juice and I would, will, and do use successfully:

- Yamaha Synthetic (various weights)
- Hetman (various weights)
- Monster Oil (various weights)
- Ultra Pure
- Berp BioOil

Al Cass is an Ok oil. I still use it some. It's got serious flaws as it evaporates quickly and the quality of the product is not as high as it was a few decades ago. Still better than Blue Juice, in my experience.

Also good, but due to the strong irritating odor are unusable by me include: Holton Valve Oil, Bach's new LynzOil, and 5 Starr. They seem to work well as lubricants but cause some real problematic irritation in my throat. There are oils out there that work as good, if not better, that don't have that issue, so I use them instead.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My preferred valve oil for trumpets, euphoniums and tubas for years. New and vintage horns. It's light, slick, each application lasts a long time and I like the smell. Never a problem.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would only use it if I had no other choice.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My horns work OK with it at first, but a couple days later, the valves slow up. It could be that it doesn't like my chemistry, but that makes it unusable for me.
Ultra Pure never does that.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used it in years past. I liked it, along with Zaja brand oil.
Since meeting Flip Oakes, I have been using his valve oil, which he supplies to his customers that come by his shop. Flip tells me it was developed with Blue Juice as a base target. I like Flip's oil the best.

A couple of years ago, one of our TH members sent his large bore Martin Committee down to me for a few weeks. The valves were very iffy, so I did a thorough cleaning and oiled it up with FO oil. I never had any more trouble with the Martin's valves and I sent one or two bottles back with the horn. The owner mentioned how much better the valve action was.

Out here in the Arizona summers, it evaporates pretty quickly, but it still outperforms anything else I've tried. The only possible downside is that it sometimes leaves a paraffin residue in the water key ports that eventually plugs the port. That cleans right out with warm water and/or compressed air, though.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Blue Juice for years and never had any trouble with it. (I use Black now, and like it a lot better, but everyone has their own issues and their own solutions).
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is an old link but it may shed some light on why some of us like Blue Juice and some of us do not.

https://www.nemc.com/resources/articles/valve-oil-the-more-you-kno_54

(This was written by MusiChem Pro-Oil. I can't find them listed anymore.)

Blue Juice is a very low viscosity oil so in some horns it has the potential to be very fast and stays on the valves a reasonable time before evaporating. On the other hand it has somewhat weak "film strength" so it may not perform well in "hyper-tight" valves and could very well lead to sticking with those valves.

Most of my horns are fairly tight but not Schilke tight, I wipe off my valves and oil generously every time I play - and clean at least every 3 weeks.

Keep trying oils - eventually you will find something that works in your horn.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of Blue Juice, so I can't comment on that.

I use Yamaha Synthetic Vintage oil on my Selmer K-M. I've had no problems whatever with it
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