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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:49 pm Post subject: Doc Severinsen 1000B trumpet |
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hello everybody, I have a question about the doc severinsen 1000B trumpet. why have I never seen a white or silver color doc severinsen 1000B trumpet around for sale on eBay or anywhere, they are always the typical yellow gold color, I have only seen one silver like in 1998 I believe??Did I get lucky to see one or are they rare or in some way different? |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I don’t know what “white” refers to, but “silver color” is silver plating, “yellow gold color” is usually polished brass with a clear lacquer coating. There is actual gold plating used, but I highly doubt it was ever available on that Conn Severinsen model. It’s expensive, for one thing.
I have never played one, but that Severinsen model Conn was not around for long, I don’t think it had great reviews. The same is not true for the Getzen Severinsen horns, however.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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Croquethed Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I think it was marketed as a "step-up" horn, kind of like MacGregor sold baseball gloves to Little Leaguers endorsed by Willie Mays that were definitely NOT pro quality gloves. |
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smittybat New Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:07 am Post subject: |
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They are decent trumpets especially for the price they go for. I played one from middle school and most of high school. |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
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I used to own one. Not bad tone but intonation issues made me sell it. _________________ Richard
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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So am I the only person that has actually seen a white (yes silver) doc severinsen 1000B trumpet?? |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:01 am Post subject: |
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These Conns were sold at a low price point linked to a star name. The Getzens targeted a higher tier. In practice, I am equally impressed by both. I think the Conn out-performed expectation and the Getzen slipped the other way - but when the targets are unequal to start with that's not hard to do.
The Conn 1000B was a lot like a Holton T-500 Al Hirt. Inexpensive, but with a great marketing hook. As such, anything other than base finish (lacquer) made little economic sense.
As Doc like silver plated horns in those days, I suppose some must have been - for show if nothing else, but I suspect the percentage of the total run is pretty small. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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OldSchoolEuph wrote: |
The Conn 1000B was a lot like a Holton T-500 Al Hirt. Inexpensive, but with a great marketing hook.
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I owned a Getzen Eterna 900 mod. Severinsen a true great horn
If the Conn 1000B is like the Holton 'Al Hirt' stay away from it; The 'Al Hirt' is a stuffy overpriced student horn, only the looks were impressif _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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zombinator01 wrote: | So am I the only person that has actually seen a white (yes silver) doc severinsen 1000B trumpet?? |
When these came out I went to my local music store to play-test a few to see if it would be a horn I'd recommend to my students. I do remember playing at least one silver-plated model.
My overall impression at the time was that they were fairly free-blowing, but not like the Getzen Eterna Severinsen model that I'd owned for a few years. There was a large bore version that felt comparable in blow feel to my CG Selmer, but did not have the big sound I was used to. I walked away feeling that they were "a poor man's Bach" though the price was not that far below the Strads available at the time. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 4:17 am Post subject: |
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spitvalve wrote: | zombinator01 wrote: | So am I the only person that has actually seen a white (yes silver) doc severinsen 1000B trumpet?? |
When these came out I went to my local music store to play-test a few to see if it would be a horn I'd recommend to my students. I do remember playing at least one silver-plated model.
My overall impression at the time was that they were fairly free-blowing, but not like the Getzen Eterna Severinsen model that I'd owned for a few years. There was a large bore version that felt comparable in blow feel to my CG Selmer, but did not have the big sound I was used to. I walked away feeling that they were "a poor man's Bach" though the price was not that far below the Strads available at the time. |
"larger bore version"? Sure you are not mixing the 1000B with the SS1 and SS2? Those did sell at the price of a Strad. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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ScottA Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 8:33 am Post subject: |
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[quote="OldSchoolEuph"][quote="spitvalve"] zombinator01 wrote: |
"larger bore version"? Sure you are not mixing the 1000B with the SS1 and SS2? Those did sell at the price of a Strad. |
I believe this happens a lot with these two horns. They both came out at the same time and are apparently easily confused. The Severinsen Series or SS1, SS2, SS3, and SS4 were pro level instruments that used the leadpipe design Conn bought from Dave Monette. The different models featured different bell shapes and materials I believe. They are pretty good horns and can often be purchsed at an excellent price. _________________ Scott Apelgren
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spitvalve Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="ScottA"][quote="OldSchoolEuph"] spitvalve wrote: | zombinator01 wrote: |
"larger bore version"? Sure you are not mixing the 1000B with the SS1 and SS2? Those did sell at the price of a Strad. |
I believe this happens a lot with these two horns. They both came out at the same time and are apparently easily confused. The Severinsen Series or SS1, SS2, SS3, and SS4 were pro level instruments that used the leadpipe design Conn bought from Dave Monette. The different models featured different bell shapes and materials I believe. They are pretty good horns and can often be purchsed at an excellent price. |
Yeah, it was the SS models I tested. Don't remember the 1000B. _________________ Bryan Fields
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1991 Bach LR180 ML 37S
1999 Getzen Eterna 700S
1977 Getzen Eterna 895S Flugelhorn
1969 Getzen Capri cornet
1995 UMI Benge 4PSP piccolo trumpet
Warburton and Stomvi Flex mouthpieces |
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:37 am Post subject: |
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What about the 100B,is it a starting horn? Or also a student model horn? Those too have me confused lol,,or do I have to asume because one of them is 1000B larger numeric its better |
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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zombinator01 wrote: | What about the 100B,is it a starting horn? Or also a student model horn? Those too have me confused lol,,or do I have to asume because one of them is 1000B larger numeric its better |
You got me. They look identical. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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yes they do,,, |
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:30 am Post subject: |
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Does anyone else knows the difference about this two trumpet models? |
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 10:49 am Post subject: |
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There's some info in this thread. Don't know if that's helpful?
Apparently the 100B was a 'pro-entrance' model whereas the 1000B was a 'step up' model. It was also made in the USA, whereas the latter was supposedly made in Japan.
From what I read in the thread, they're definitely not the same instrument, and the 100B is 'better'...guess less is more? |
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Thank You hibidogrulez for that info |
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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zombinator01 wrote: | So am I the only person that has actually seen a white (yes silver) doc severinsen 1000B trumpet?? |
Whichever one you saw that was silver could have been replated by the owner, you can have any horn silver or gold plated.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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zombinator01 Regular Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:43 am Post subject: |
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you could be right Brad361 but the horn was fairly new at the time ,talking about the 90s,,,why would someone go thru the trouble of removing perfect gold plated to then replated it silver. It could happen I mean |
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