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desmo Veteran Member
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Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2020 11:46 pm Post subject: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? |
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hi all,
I usually use a yamaha 6335 and I recently bought a 2330 to use like back-up horn. The 2330 it looks great and have a very goode valves. The sound is good for a student horn.
my only concern is that it blow very different from my 6335. The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register
any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?
thanks
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deleted_user_687c31b New Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:28 am Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? |
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desmo wrote: | change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat? |
If the tuning slide of your 6335 fits the 2330, you could try swapping it and see if there's any change. Using a different mouthpiece is another thing you could try with relatively little investment and/or impact.
However, it could also be that it's just not a suitable instrument for you. In that case, you may want to consider what you're actually gonna use it for and whether it'll be 'good enough' for that. It is, after all, a back-up and not a replacement, right?
If you don't mind me asking, why did you buy this particular horn as a backup? |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 12:55 am Post subject: |
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Have you cleaned it thoroughly? _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
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zaferis Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:49 am Post subject: |
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Design specs, quality control, flaws, gap, age, cleanliness, etc... Take your pick. Likely a combination of most of the listed.
I would say getting two different models, or even like trumpets, and expecting them to play the same is the problem. _________________ Freelance Performer/Educator
Adjunct Professor
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Seymor B Fudd Heavyweight Member
Joined: 17 Oct 2015 Posts: 1468 Location: Sweden
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:03 am Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? |
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desmo wrote: | hi all,
I usually use a yamaha 6335 and I recently bought a 2330 to use like back-up horn. The 2330 it looks great and have a very goode valves. The sound is good for a student horn.
my only concern is that it blow very different from my 6335. The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register
any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?
thanks
regards |
Guess your 2330 is a trumpet?! I have a 2330II cornet - not stuffy at all, of course more restricted tonal spectrum than my Getzen Custom but quite OK. Needs a rather big mpc in order to, light up. (=Shilke 14 3 D 3. Anything but difficult up high! Used it for fun in the big band, floating above like a piccolo!
But compared to the (trumpet) 6335 RC "restricted". After all a "school" instrument.
Perhaps the resistance just isn´t your cup of tea? _________________ Cornets:
Getzen Custom Series Schilke 143D3/ DW Ultra 1,5 C
Getzen 300 series
Yamaha YCRD2330II
Yamaha YCR6330II
Getzen Eterna Eb
Trumpets:
Yamaha 6335 RC Schilke 14B
King Super 20 Symphony DB (1970)
Selmer Eb/D trumpet (1974) |
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desmo Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Spain
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:31 am Post subject: |
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x hibidogrulez
I choice the 2330 (trumpet) because is the more cheaper yamaha available and only like back-up horn. I bought it new, so is very clean.
anyone have tried or have some result in changing the GAP using harrelson shim kit? it make sense on a cheaper student trumpet?
mouthpiece with a little larger throat may help?
different main tuning slide from another student model? (example the previous 2335 or 2320, etc..) |
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krax Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 683 Location: Hofors, Sweden
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:50 am Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? |
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desmo wrote: |
The 2330 its' very stuffy and difficult to me especially in high register
any advice? is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat?
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Sounds like a typical 2330. Great student trumpets, but with one major downside: very stuffy high register.They just don't soundor sing above the staff. In my experience, changing mouthpiece doesn't work. You better put your money on another back-up trumpet. An intermediate trumpet with a nice high register is the King Silver Flair and they are often good finds used. Of course there's a downside with them too - intonation is not on Yamaha-level. |
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Yamaha 2330 - blow very stuffy - any advice? |
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desmo wrote: | is possible to do an easy tweak to the leadpipe? or change the main tuning slide? maybe a mouthpiece with a larger throat? | I don't think any of these will help...the 6335 is a GREAT pro horn!!
Student models are called that for a reason, apples and oranges. |
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giakara Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Try your mpc with bigger throat , I use the same horn in a marching band I play and I had the same problem but when i start to use a Reeves P9 with #26 bore (i use a stock #27 to my Lawler) it feels much better and open .
Regards _________________ Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2015
Lawler TL6-1A Bb 2004
Lawler TL5-1A Bb 2003
Getzen eterna 910 C
Getzen eterna 850 cornet
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blownchops Regular Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:57 am Post subject: |
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desmo wrote: | x hibidogrulez
I choice the 2330 (trumpet) because is the more cheaper yamaha available and only like back-up horn. I bought it new, so is very clean.
anyone have tried or have some result in changing the GAP using harrelson shim kit? it make sense on a cheaper student trumpet?
mouthpiece with a little larger throat may help?
different main tuning slide from another student model? (example the previous 2335 or 2320, etc..) |
Youre putting lipstick on a pig trying to alter it. Sure, you can put a new leadpipe or tuning slide but at the end of the day you still have a student horn. A xeno tuning slide/leadpipe, if it fits, might help you.
In the future I would recommend buying a used pro model as a backup. Buying a 2330 and hoping it will play like a 6335 because they are both made by Yamaha is not super realistic. The 6335 is a pro horn and for a time was the top of the line for yamaha. the 2330 is a fine student model and all, but still a student model. They will not play similarly enough to suit your needs without major adjustment beyond the worth of the 2330. _________________ Bach 37 |
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cgaiii Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2020 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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The 6335 is quite open for a Yamaha horn. It has a lot of Yamaha characteristics, but definitely more open. That is why I have one. It is my backup horn. I have a 4335 that I played for years, but it plays tighter. I assume the 2335 is along the line of most Yamaha student and intermediate horns. They are a little tighter, particularly as you go higher. Some of the teachers here can better tell you, but I would assume that it helps people starting out to have a little more resistance. _________________ Bb: Schilke X3L AS SP, Yamaha YTR-6335S
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Picc: Kanstul 920
Bb Bugle: Kanstul
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Steve Hollahan Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:49 pm Post subject: Valve alignment |
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Check or have a tech check your valve alignment. _________________ Steve Hollahan
Bach 37, 229 C
Yamaha 9620 D-Eb, 741 C, Flugel
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Check all tubing for any obstructions - use a cleaning snake, or flexible plastic rod, etc.
Valve alignment. remove the valve slides and look. Also loosen the top valve caps and check if additional slight UP or DOWN movement affects the the valve-up position.
Jay _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
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VetPsychWars Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Stop blowing so hard.
Tom _________________ 1950 Buescher Lightweight 400 Trumpet
1949 Buescher 400 Trumpet
1939 Buescher 400 Cornet
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mike ansberry Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I second Steve Hollahan's suggestion. I traded a 6335 to a friend for an Olds Super. The Super was really stuffy, but I hated the 6335 so I went for it. I checked the valve alignment and they were quite a bit off. I realigned them and WOW! It became my main horn for years until I got a Super Recording. _________________ Music is a fire in your belly, fighting to get out. You'd better put a horn in the way before someone gets hurt. |
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Dennis78 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:41 am Post subject: |
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A leaky water key can stuff a horn up pretty bad _________________ a few different ones |
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James Becker Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 6:45 am Post subject: |
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As a practitioner of precision valve alignment I can attest to the wide range of misalignment I’ve witnessed. In addition, a fresh flat natural cork can do wonders to restore a trumpet’s response. 😉 _________________ James Becker
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PMonteiro Veteran Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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Similarly, I play a heavywall 6335 mk. II, which is quite open. My backup horn is a 2320 (the model before the 2330, close enough), and its upper register is stuffy and sharp. I think that's just inherent to Yamaha student horns. Oddly enough, I've had some success by using a tighter mouthpiece. These horns can scream up high if you can leverage the tightness. Otherwise, drilled out mouthpieces have also helped me a bit. _________________ YTR-6335HSII
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Bflatman Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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Why bother you face uncertainty with any changes you could sink 1000 dollars into this horn trying to make it better and fighting it all the way.
You dont start with an AMC Gremlin and then change the engine the transmission the steering and the suspension in an attempt to create a backup nascar racer out of the gremlin.
You start instead with a car with good potential and modify that.
There are plenty of people who want to own a good student horn, they are students. Sell it on to a student and sink your money into a horn with good potential for improvement.
I dont think you will need to make any changes to a better horn
You will do them a service and yourself too.
It was a good plan to go for the Yam but it didnt work out, now is the time to cut losses and move forward. |
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desmo Veteran Member
Joined: 12 Dec 2010 Posts: 195 Location: Spain
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 6:49 am Post subject: . |
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I received some answers from people that don't even have read what I'm looking for ...
I'm happy with my 6335. I'm trying to have a similar resistance from the 2330 (backup trumpet).
YES, I'm aware that one is a student and the other is a professional trumpet and NO, I'm not looking to have a 2330 that sound like the 6335
I only would like to be able to switch between the 2330 vs 6335 without feel the big difference I find today (stuffy in the high register in case of 2330)
anyone whave tried to open the venturi to the 2330? it make sense? too risky?
thanks |
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