Looking for advice

[PLM2833]

I had taken a short 50 break from playing, now back at it and having fun. I've been playing a 1949 Buescher Aristocrat, it need some work one of the slides is frozen, but the valves are still in very good shape. I purchased a 1950 Conn Victor and tried to have it reworked but it isn't working out. I'd like to purchase a intermediate trumpet and would appreciate some advice, I don't have an endless bank account. Are Jean Paul horns worth the money? Looking forward to hearing ideas and opinions.

Thanks
Paul

[deleted_user_687c31b]

It greatly depends on your budget of course, but I believe the general consensus here is to either get a beginner's horn for budget reasons, or a pro horn to get value for your money. Intermediate horns are often neither cheap nor much better than student horns of the same brand.

If you really want a better instrument, try going for a second-hand 'pro horn'. They're much more affordable than new ones.

[kehaulani]

It's just hypothetical until you tell us what your budget is.
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[PLM2833]

I would like to stay in the neighborhood of $500.

[JayKosta]

If your Buescher is playable (stuck valve slides isn't generally a big problem unless individual note tuning is way off), then consider watching the local Craigslist for musical instruments. Now is usually when many instruments are listed prior to beginning of the school year.

It's best to be able to test play the horn before buying. Look for how well the small parts are finished (no rough or sharp edges) and the uniformity of solder joints. If there is a local repair person, contact them and ask if they know of anything available.

$500 is unlikely enough for a real 'pro horn' in good shape, but is plenty for a good student level or 'near-pro' one.

Jay
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[Dayton]

For $500 you could find a good vintage trumpet or a reliable student trumpet like a Getzen 300/400 series; possibly a newer intermediate level horn like a Getzen Capri or Eastman 500 series.

If you get closer to $800 you can find some newer instruments, such as the terrific Getzen 700S Eterna II or an Eastman 800 series pro model trumpet. To give you a sense of price, I recently sold a Getzen 700S for $800 and an Eastman 822 for $700. Both were in excellent condition.

Good luck!

[kehaulani]

I would probably find a Getzen Capri. IMO they're better than they're usually categorised. It's basically in your price range, used. Make sure the seller has a liberal return policy.

I've got a friend who's a first trumpeter who had been playing one for decades and he sees no reason to change.
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[Crazy Finn]

[shofarguy]

A used Kanstul 700 is a fine horn. Some professionals have said it plays as good or better than many professional grade horns. They aren't everywhere, but when they come up they are often for $500 - $700.
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[OldSchoolEuph]

I usually avoid making suggestions in threads like this because I am not you, I dont know your playing style, or your physical compatibility with different elements of design. All that caveat being detailed now, within your budget a Conn 22B Early model (1921-1929/30) has good odds of being a fit. Again, no guarantees, we are all different, but they are a match in that price range for more than they are not, and they are abundant despite being so old. (only horn that old I can think of that still works in a modern context)
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[deleted_user_687c31b]

Don't own one myself, but from what I've heard Olds Ambassdors can be good trumpets too, especially for their value (can even be a bit less than your budget). But you'd really need to playtest it to ensure you get a good one.

[Manuel de los Campos]

[PLM2833]

The Victor has a valve issue and I've been told it would not be worth the money to have it repaired. I'm looking at a Conn B22 New York Symphony suppose to be from the early 1950's that is in excellent condition.

[krell1960]

[PLM2833]

Thanks for the many replies, Your advise has been helpful.

[jondrowjf@gmail.com]

Paul. The Jean Paul, Jean Paul, Schiller are lower priced Chinese trumpets. You may get lucky and find a good one. Hasn't been my experience. Give the Beuscher several baths until the slide is unstuck. If you need to bring to the repair shop and have the slide pulled or get a chemical cleaning.
My recommendation for an excellent intermediate trumpet is the Getzen 700 S Eterna trumpet. Best offer on ebay is a good way to go. Depending on your budget, you may want to look at older professional trumpets. Like the King Silverflair 1055 trumpet or a Getzen Renaissance trumpet. When you get a workable horn,focus on your embrochure, lessons and practice routine.
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[Bflatman]

An intermediate trumpet will cost you around 700 dollars.

It will cost around 60 dollars to free the slide and make your Buescher playable and around 600 dollars for a full refurb to make it look and play as new.

Replacing a horn because a slide becomes stuck makes no sense and is like buying a new car when the old car simply needs a service.

Service the Buescher.

[Crazy Finn]

[jhatpro]

Rich Ita’s store is always a good resource and he has a couple of nice horns that are in your price range.

https://www.brassinstrumentworkshop.com/product-page/holton-t-508-collegiate-bb-trumpet
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