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WildWilly
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 7:49 am    Post subject: Trumpet Historians Help Needed Reply with quote

As I mentioned in another thread, I purchased an antique Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet for a sentimental reason . . . my very first instrument was a Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet. I know that all Gretsch trumpets were stencils but I can't find any info telling who actually made them. I also have a serial number but can't find any info about that. Any historians who can point me in the right direction to research this waltz down memory lane horn?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:21 am    Post subject: Pathfinder Reply with quote

Probably made by Conn.

Designed as a 2nd line instrument and stencil model. Sold to dealers to circumvent Conn brand in other music stores in same area.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gretsch used a lot of Pan American stencils. They also branded some instruments "Rex", which then gets theirs confused with the Rex brand of Bryant-Newell in Detroit. To learn more about a given Gretsch horn, you need to provide photos and detailed information to give anyone a fighting chance of figuring out where it was made (valve block in particular)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OldSchoolEuph wrote:
Gretsch used a lot of Pan American stencils. They also branded some instruments "Rex", which then gets theirs confused with the Rex brand of Bryant-Newell in Detroit. To learn more about a given Gretsch horn, you need to provide photos and detailed information to give anyone a fighting chance of figuring out where it was made (valve block in particular)

I've tried to post pics but I have to crop them so much it's hard to tell what's pictured.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2020 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without photos, I cant begin to guess what you might have.

Gretsch began, and remarkably continues today (with a brief interruption when they were owned by Baldwin Pianos from 1967-1984) as a family-owned US-based maker of laminated wood based instruments (Percussion and mandolin family instruments such as guitars, banjos, etc.). Gretsch brass were all stencils as far as I have seen.

The best resource I know of for information on Gretsch is Jon Patton’s work at www.brasshistory.net. He has listed as identified stencils horns from ART, Blessing, Bohland & Fuchs, CMI, Pan American (Conn), and Pedler. In addition, he quotes Fred W. Gretsch as saying Couesnon built a lot of the Gretsch horns a century ago.

History: http://www.brasshistory.net/Gretsch%20History.pdf

Identified serials list: http://www.brasshistory.net/Gretsch%20Brass%20List.pdf

Company website: https://www.gretsch.com/
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Ron. Exactly what I was looking for.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Trumpet Historians Help Needed Reply with quote

WildWilly wrote:
As I mentioned in another thread, I purchased an antique Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet for a sentimental reason . . . my very first instrument was a Gretsch Pathfinder trumpet. I know that all Gretsch trumpets were stencils but I can't find any info telling who actually made them. I also have a serial number but can't find any info about that. Any historians who can point me in the right direction to research this waltz down memory lane horn?


The Gretsch Pathfinder model is usually a Pedler & Sons stencil; usually of their American Triumph student model. I hope it plays well for you.
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