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jicetp
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:26 am    Post subject: Dichotomy between Double Pedal set-up / Spit buzzing set-up Reply with quote

Hi everyone,

I am experiencing great things with the Callet system but, alas there's a but I have pinpointed some issues that I 'd like to solve .

Double pedals : finally grasped the focused sound thing which is paramount for further exploration ( upwards )

Spit Buzz : same thing. The more the focus the less air needed, the faster the vibration is happening .


To me the main issue I have is that the set-ups emerging from one or the other ' technique ' is different. I cant seem to have them ' overlap ' if you will.

And as this is the case, I am wondering which set-up to adopt !

For big sound I favor the double pedal thing, for higher range the spit buzzing.

I dont like to have to ' think ' what to play before I have to play.


I guess my question is :

will the two setup eventually merge into one set-up ?

Should I favor one upon the other ?

should I be happy with having a choice ?



thanks for your thoughts

JiCe
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double pedals?

What pitches are you referring to?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi. Something does not add up here. Jerry had a terrific embouchure. A wonderful mechanism that could go from double pedal C to almost triple C and back down again seamlessly. I would suggest tracking down one of his former students and take some lessons. Good luck! jw
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wilder wrote:
Hi. Something does not add up here. Jerry had a terrific embouchure. A wonderful mechanism that could go from double pedal C to almost triple C and back down again seamlessly. I would suggest tracking down one of his former students and take some lessons. Good luck! jw


I agree, waiting for the Callet forum moderator, I most humbly could add that the seamless blend of "einsetzen" and "ansetzen" also is the goal of the BE method.
Oh - I forgot: Precicely this amalgamation presents huge difficulties! Takes a while making it seamless....... No wonder you find it difficult. I suggest that you wait until the moderator arrives. There are some tricks of the trade!
Also I won´t hijack the thread for BE purposes

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kalijah wrote:
Double pedals?

What pitches are you referring to?


Two octaves below low C.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The double pedals are an exercise. Use them as warm up and warm down to loosen corners, focus sound, build a cushion, etc. Everything else, including all actual playing is done with the spit buzz.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the suggestions.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tptguy wrote:
The double pedals are an exercise. Use them as warm up and warm down to loosen corners, focus sound, build a cushion, etc. Everything else, including all actual playing is done with the spit buzz.


This is how I see it. I do a few minutes of double pedals at the start of each day. The effect isn't too different from what many would attribute to lip flapping in a more traditional context or playing model. I think they're more effective (for me) and a very efficient way of achieving homeostasis.
When it comes to playing - like Kyle said: the closer everything feels to spit buzzing, the better you're playing, the easier you'll play and the better you'll sound.

JiCe, I know you've picked up some of my stuff in the past, but without looking it up I don't know if that includes my double pedal tone book. If you don't have it then send me an email and I'll send a free copy your way.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

trumpetplanet :

Hi Rich ! I did indeed get some stuff ( maybe the whole package ) from you ! Great stuff.

I think now I understand what to focus on : the spit buzzing.

I wish the spit buzzing will eventually lead to the sound I have in the low range coming from the double pedals, if that makes sense.

Thanks for your help guys[/quote]
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