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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:55 pm Post subject: Anyone who really likes playing on a Jet-Tone Studio B? |
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Just curious. Obviously there must be someone who likes the model since they sold them. For myself it feels wrong in about every way a mp can feel wrong. I got one by complete random happenstance. I showed up to play with an oompah band riding with my girlfriend and realized I had left my regular mp in my car - I was buzzing on it and forgot it. A Jet-Tone T1A as it happens.
The other trumpet player happened to have a Studio B in his case so I played on it for the duration of this gig, possibly the most uncomfortable trumpet experience of my life. Completely unlike the T1A. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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Odneal's Inferno Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:17 am Post subject: Studio B |
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Maynard Ferguson’s lead player for years played a Jet Tone Studio B and sounded Great!!! I heard him out front and beside him in the section when I played with Maynard. _________________ Bob Odneal
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kalijah Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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There may be some major variance in that model on later versions.
The original Studio B, of which I own one, was played very well by a number of players I knew.
I did get a more recent version and it was basically unplayable and in no way comparable to the old one.
One of my mentors, the late Andy Hagan, played on one (the original) with some modification and sounded fantastic ALWAYS.
The cup bite is VERY rounded and not my preference anymore.
Perhaps a Jet-tone expert can give good info. |
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Odneal's Inferno Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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The new Studio B mpc I saw was much different. _________________ Bob Odneal
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Ed Kennedy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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The T1A is a very large OD. I played a T2B for a while, same ID but rounder rim and deeper cup. T1A is shallow with a very flat rim. My man, Leon Merian used a T2B for big band gigs towards the end of his career and a Bach 1C for everything else. I think the T series is slightly larger ID that the Bach !. The Studio B is more in the 7 to 10 range ID wise.
You were comparing apples and oranges. |
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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I played on a Studio B for years, and liked it a lot. Preferred the D rim, and went to a Custom 1D until I got an actual custom jet-tone, but the Studio B worked very well for me.
The T-1 and T2 were always too wide for me, though. But what works for you and what works for me are almost always very different things. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
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JeffM729 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:03 am Post subject: |
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If my memory is correct, Tower of Power's Mic Gillette and Greg Adams played the Jet-Tone Studio with the D rim, not the B, during the early part of their careers. |
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:21 am Post subject: Jet-Tone mouthpieces |
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I will repeat what I've said here many times concerning Jet-Tone mouthpieces.
The original concept was totally a Ray Amado design. Ray's partner was Bill Ratzenberger. Ray found out Ratzenberger was being less than candid with the money and left the operation in Ratzenberger's hands. From that point on the Jet-Tone designs were never consistent even though Amado left all the tooling behind. When Jet-Tone changed hands many times over the years, things got even worse and no two mouthpieces were like the Amado originals.
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:47 am Post subject: |
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And when did that change (Amado leaving) take place? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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JeffM729 wrote: | If my memory is correct, Tower of Power's Mic Gillette and Greg Adams played the Jet-Tone Studio with the D rim, not the B, during the early part of their careers. |
Mic started out on a Studio B and went to the D rim a couple of years later (I still have t e B he gave me when I was 11). Greg played on one of the Custom models, which had a touch wider ID. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:56 am Post subject: Jet-Tone mouthpieces |
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My recollection is Ray Amado gave up on Ratzenberger in 1968.
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Yamahaguy Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Jet-Tone mouthpieces |
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Tony Scodwell wrote: | The original concept was totally a Ray Amado design. | Do you mean the blank shape, rim, and/or backbore? I've been hearing
quite a bit about another company trying their version of that copy. |
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Tony Scodwell Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:58 am Post subject: Jet-Tone concept |
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The entire Jet-Tone design was Ray Amado's. The cup design was inspired by the Parduba double cup which Ray Amado used with modifications. The blank was also his concept and backbores were based on Bach. As more and more players were playing these new mouthpieces the stock line-up grew. Al Hirt's was the T-3 model and Doc Severinsen's was based on his Bach 5C as are most everything else Doc has played since.
The most impressive thing Ray came up with was his 1/4 inch aluminum templates at 10 times larger than the actual mouthpiece with both cup and rim. He could easily make accurate copies using a machine which reduced the margin of error by a factor of ten. At that time CNC did not exist and other mouthpiece makers were using what was essentially a key duplicating machine at one to one.
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dershem Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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The anodized aluminum mouthpieces they made were also a great idea, though the inherent problems with the aluminum kept it from really taking off. I found my aluminum Jet Tone very handy when playing colors in th4e snow. _________________ BKA! Mic Gillette was my mentor and friend.
Marcinkiewicz Mic G. trumpet, Custom Marcinkiewicz mpc. (Among others)
Marcinkiewicz Rembrandt flugel, Benge 8Z cornet, King 2B, Bach 36, Benge 190, Getzen 3062... many more. All Marc. mouthpieces. |
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