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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:18 am    Post subject: 1st and 3rd valve slides Reply with quote

As a former trombone player, it was a no-brainer for me to use slide cream (I personally use superslick) on my trumpet slides when I first switched over. It has always worked extremely well and I never really gave it a second thought until recently. I was cleaning my horn the other day and it got me thinking... I actually have no idea what other trumpet players use, even after nearly 20 years lol.

So... what do you use to lubricate your slides?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Mineral Oil from the drug store. It doesn't 'goop-up' like some greases. And if any clothes get stained, just rub a little hand soap into the strain and launder as usual.
Plus no smell, and non-toxic (in the small quantities involved).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JayKosta wrote:
I use Mineral Oil from the drug store.

That reminded that, when I didn't have any money, I used a mix of 3&One Oil and kerosene, LOL.

I use BERP. Excellent oil and a little longer lasting than others. And BERP has oils for pistons, tuning slides and valve slides as we...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in high school and college, I also used Superslick on my trumpet slides. Nowadays is use Hetman lubricants. I use Hetman #8 on most slides. I use Hetman #8 thinned down with Hetman valve oil on my fast slides (like #3 valve slide).

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old school was to use Vaseline and then cut it with valve oil until you get a workable consistency. These days a lot of folks substitute other slide greases or lanolin for Vaseline. I hate this method.

Not sure when it dawned on me to try it but I now use Bach rotor oil for my 1st and 3rd and it works great. Some other rotor oils are thinner than I prefer.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the horn is in daily use, cleaned often, and maintained meticulously, medium valve oils work great.

If, however, it may be sitting around for a while, then something that won't dry and build-up is preferable. Lanolin cut with valve oil is optimal from a performance and renewability perspective, plus if it sits for a decade, it comes loose with heat. The problem is, it stains everything.

Middle of the road is a stabilized grease, like lanolin in bees wax - Schilke slide grease being a good one - which can then be tuned a bit with light valve oil. This has an expiration date however after which it takes effort to get things back in good order. It does come close to cut lanolin in ease of playing while not staining everything, but it needs to frequently be renewed.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using Spacefiller TS for decades. It is very compatible with the Spacefiller valve oils. Spacefiller Ultimate I is the standard weight oil and Ultimate II is for tight valves. The TS and Ultimate I are still relatively easy to find, but Ultimate II has been very difficult to acquire since the Covid disruption.

I put 2 horns in storage after oiling and greasing beforehand and both horns still had valve and slide motion right out of the case after almost a decade, though motion was a little sluggish until cleaned and reapplied.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use Superslick but now I use Hetman's #4.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Eterna Classic's 1 and 3 slides work great with the black tub Herrco grease.

The Proteus, that's a little thick for, so Monster's slide oil.

The Tone Balanced Super Deluxe Copra-Temp? Who needs slides to move, anyway?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Valve Oil Reply with quote

Since my horn is about 72 years old, I have been using " Hetman Synthetic Classic Piston - Lubricant 3 Valve Oil "

I use it on my slides also, works for me.

Works great on my old horn.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schilke slide grease...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For 1st and 3rd slides, I apply Spacefiller TS and then dribble on Zaja (cinnamon scented) slide oil. Really slick, rather long lasting combination.

If I couldn't find the Zaja slide oil anymore, I would substitute valve oil.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetmans 5 for me. 4: too thin, slides catch sometimes. 6: too slow on the motion. 5: juuuust right!

Some horns occasionally need some 4 or 6 but nearly always 5 is the best for me.

While going on about Hetmans I just got some of the new-ish 7.5 for stationary slides. So far so good.. I am hoping it stays around a bit longer than the 8 which I had been using.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schilke slide grease. Comes in little pots, maybe 1/2 oz or so. Got my first one in 1969 when I bought my first Schilke at 529 S. Wabash. Think I've bought maybe 3 or so more since then...
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Super Lube, synthetic grease (PTFE)

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