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haas
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 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:49 am Post subject: King Silver Flair |
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Hi, I'm looking for a new trumpet.
I found such a trumpet at the auction. I am curious about your opinion.
I don't know what the exact model is.
The seller is not a trumpeter.
Probably it is King Silver Flair benge x3 ???
99% of the paint is not original.
Water flap added.
What is the specification of this horn? I am looking for a universal orchestra trumpet for the first voice, and as a lead trumpeter.
I will have better photos in three days, because the seller is fishing 
Best regards Paul
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harryjamesworstnightmare
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Orchestra and lead (assuming big band) require different approaches and this horn would a have a tone appropriate for lead. However, this is a later silver flair and not as good (my opinion) as the classic silver flairs built prior to 1965. You may want to find something with a more "middle of the road" tone so you can vary it more easily by mouthpiece selection. You might consider one of the Bach Strads with a 37 bell or a Yamaha 6335 or similar. Others will surely chime in with recommending one or another variation of Yamaha Xeno. You've asked the community, so be prepared for the next 100 recommendations.
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| The picture of the Silver Flar is of a newer model. The original was nice horn for lead playing but not necessarily for symphonic use. Well made instruments but you will need to play it for yourself before you buy it to see if the sound profile is what you are looking for. Best of luck. |
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yourbrass
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Although this is a later model of the Flair, it still was made at the King factory in Ohio and the craftsmanship is very good. If you like the way it plays and the price is reasonable - buy it.
Good Luck!
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haas
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| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| The price is not great. about $ 900 |
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adagiotrumpet
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| haas wrote: | | The price is not great. about $ 900 |
You should be able to find an original Silver Flair at or below $900.00. I just bought a Cleveland in excellent condition for under $800.00 and an Eastlake in similar condition for $925. Despite being made in different factories, they play and sound surprisingly similar. Since they are so close, I probably will be selling the Eastlake since I really don't need two, although having them at the same time has convinced me that the Cleveland made and Eastlake made are comparable. |
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| adagiotrumpet wrote: | | haas wrote: | | The price is not great. about $ 900 |
You should be able to find an original Silver Flair at or below $900.00. I just bought a Cleveland in excellent condition for under $800.00 and an Eastlake in similar condition for $925. Despite being made in different factories, they play and sound surprisingly similar. Since they are so close, I probably will be selling the Eastlake since I really don't need two, although having them at the same time has convinced me that the Cleveland made and Eastlake made are comparable. |
Are the used horn prices in Europe equivalent to our prices in North America? |
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adagiotrumpet
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | adagiotrumpet wrote: | | haas wrote: | | The price is not great. about $ 900 |
You should be able to find an original Silver Flair at or below $900.00. I just bought a Cleveland in excellent condition for under $800.00 and an Eastlake in similar condition for $925. Despite being made in different factories, they play and sound surprisingly similar. Since they are so close, I probably will be selling the Eastlake since I really don't need two, although having them at the same time has convinced me that the Cleveland made and Eastlake made are comparable. |
Are the used horn prices in Europe equivalent to our prices in North America? |
Most likely, they are not. But do we know where the UMI Silver Flair the OP is inquiring about is located? I paid less than $800 for a near perfect Cleveland made Silver Flair (plus shipping), including the original case.. Even with international shipping costs to Europe, my horn price wise was in the ballpark of the one the OP is asking about. Which would you rather have? |
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| adagiotrumpet wrote: | | LittleRusty wrote: | | adagiotrumpet wrote: | | haas wrote: | | The price is not great. about $ 900 |
You should be able to find an original Silver Flair at or below $900.00. I just bought a Cleveland in excellent condition for under $800.00 and an Eastlake in similar condition for $925. Despite being made in different factories, they play and sound surprisingly similar. Since they are so close, I probably will be selling the Eastlake since I really don't need two, although having them at the same time has convinced me that the Cleveland made and Eastlake made are comparable. |
Are the used horn prices in Europe equivalent to our prices in North America? |
Most likely, they are not. But do we know where the UMI Silver Flair the OP is inquiring about is located? I paid less than $800 for a near perfect Cleveland made Silver Flair (plus shipping), including the original case.. Even with international shipping costs to Europe, my horn price wise was in the ballpark of the one the OP is asking about. Which would you rather have? |
Not questioning the horn recommendation, but your price comparison is based on US prices. Not including the international shipping, and VAT.
My point was mostly to prevent the thread derailing due to the usual recommendations of favorite horns with no respect to the OP's location or questions. Of course I am making assumptions that he is looking in Europe based on his location data, so I could be totally off base too. |
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yourbrass
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Prices for Kings are low as they are not trendy. They happen to be one of the best playing trumpets out there, and that shows you how much the crowd knows!
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adagiotrumpet
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Rather than beat a dead horse and speculate about the horn's location, international shipping charges, and/or VAT, let's just say the OP is in Europe, the location of the horn he is considering in unknown, and he stated the price of this UMI Silver Flair in dollars. Whether or not one wants to consider this a clue as to the horn's location is strictly up to them.
As to this particular Silver Flair, the OP has inquired as to the cost/value of this particular horn and secondly, if it is a good choice for orchestral as well as lead trumpet playing.
As far as this is concerned, in my experience the only horn I have ever been able to use classically as well as for lead playing was a Bach Large Bore 25, and only when switching mouthpieces, depending on the application. Now before some of you have a conniption fit and have to start popping nitroglycerin pills, let me be the first to say that this is not a popular choice. But for me, the LB 25 blends well in an orchestra and with a lead mouthpiece, will cut through any kind of big band playing lead, with a great sound and solid core. But it is a lot of work, which is why for commercial playing, especially big band lead, I use a Schilke B3. But I am still using my Bach LB 25 for classical playing. |
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haas
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| LittleRusty wrote: | | adagiotrumpet wrote: | | haas wrote: | | The price is not great. about $ 900 |
You should be able to find an original Silver Flair at or below $900.00. I just bought a Cleveland in excellent condition for under $800.00 and an Eastlake in similar condition for $925. Despite being made in different factories, they play and sound surprisingly similar. Since they are so close, I probably will be selling the Eastlake since I really don't need two, although having them at the same time has convinced me that the Cleveland made and Eastlake made are comparable. |
Are the used horn prices in Europe equivalent to our prices in North America? |
In the America price horn is lower. A lot of people import them to Europe. In a week I'm going to play this trumpet and I'll try to "do" the price. We'll be in touch. |
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