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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:57 pm    Post subject: Routine and articulation? Reply with quote

How should one consider articulation in the routine? I've been doing all breath attacks all the time unless the exercise specifically states articulation.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem solved! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adam had every person pronounce the consonant in a way that was designed for them at their particular stage of development. This was true of singing as well as playing. But a major factor is that we call it “pronunciation.” We pronounce the music.

I will say that he would occasionally use the breath attack on the long tones for a few students with certain needs, but in general we pronounce the consonant at the front of notes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like to mix them up, depending on the piece of music I am playing and which seems appropriate in a particular phrase.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main point is we never rely on the tongue to start a note. Articulations happen as a result of the imagined sound. If he wanted a student to pronounce the sound in a certain way he would play it then say "Make it sound like that".

When Mr. Adam was asked where his tongue was he would reply, "In my mouth".
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vary it like we do with everything else. I like a little exercise that I picked up somewhere (trickled down from Vincent DiMartino thru Nancy Taylor, I think) "Flag Tonguing".. just a simple drill to focus on articulation without disrupting tone production/air flow. But then from legato to staccato, from light to heavy, loud to soft, slow to fast, single to multiple - warming up/refreshing what will be needed or to keep the tools sharp for use another day.

I'll also second Billy B - "the tongue doesn't start the note"
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zaferis wrote:
Vary it like we do with everything else. I like a little exercise that I picked up somewhere (trickled down from Vincent DiMartino thru Nancy Taylor, I think) "Flag Tonguing".. just a simple drill to focus on articulation without disrupting tone production/air flow. But then from legato to staccato, from light to heavy, loud to soft, slow to fast, single to multiple - warming up/refreshing what will be needed or to keep the tools sharp for use another day.

I'll also second Billy B - "the tongue doesn't start the note"


This is NOT something Mr. Adam would recommend.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevin_soda wrote:
Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes.



You may wish to get together with this guy. Long time student of Bob Slack and Charley Davis.

https://www.facebook.com/j.richard.carey
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
The main point is we never rely on the tongue to start a note. Articulations happen as a result of the imagined sound. If he wanted a student to pronounce the sound in a certain way he would play it then say "Make it sound like that".

When Mr. Adam was asked where his tongue was he would reply, "In my mouth".


This.^^^^

There are several posts above that do not belong in the Adam dedicated forum. I am not going to remove them, at least not yet. However, remember that this forum is supposed to focus on the approach of Mr. Adam and his students. Billy B is one of the most knowledgeable sources on this. Some of the other commenters, not so much.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Billy B wrote:
kevin_soda wrote:
Thanks for the responses! I didn't think this thread would continue. I was satisfied with "it doesn't matter." Honestly, we need to hear that sometimes.



You may wish to get together with this guy. Long time student of Bob Slack and Charley Davis.

https://www.facebook.com/j.richard.carey


I second that. I would also include Dan Keberle, John Harbaugh, and Jared Hall as other very knowledgeable people from this school of playing who are not far from Seattle.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the expert guidance in this forum, I've taken some lessons from Dr. Jared Hall and they were very helpful. He got me started on the routine and helped a lot with my mindset. Perhaps it's time to get off the forum again and back the lessons?
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