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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:36 am    Post subject: Should I get a new MP for C trumpet? Reply with quote

Hey all,

So I’m now about 3 months in with my C trumpet and am absolutely loving finally having my own instead of having to borrow someone else’s. However. I was now wondering if I should get a new mouthpiece for it or not? Currently I have been using my Bb piece, a Yamaha 16C4-GP, and it has worked fantastically frankly. However, people have said you need a different piece for C vs Bb, but I’ve found that the piece I have now works. Is it worth looking into a new piece for C or should I just stick with what I have because it works for me? I’m concerned that down the line something may change and suddenly it won’t work as well because of the physics of how the trumpet is set up and I want to avoid the learning curve farther down the line and get it out of the way earlier.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Should I get a new MP for C trumpet? Reply with quote

trumpetman7984 wrote:
... However, people have said you need a different piece for C vs Bb, but I’ve found that the piece I have now works. ...

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Yes, 'people' say many things ...
Has anyone mentioned a deficiency in your playing that is attributable to the mouthpiece?
Or has anyone mentioned a situation in which your current mouthpiece would become a problem?

If you are striving for upper range 'soloist' performance (serious orchestra work, C sheet music, etc.), then maybe a more specialized mpc would help. If you're doing 'play out of the hymnal', then don't worry unless a problem appears.

Jay
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 8:52 am    Post subject: Should work just fine Reply with quote

Your Yamaha mouthpiece should work just fine in your Yamaha 8445. Some players open up the throat a bit as they progress. If you decide to do this, buy a second mouthpiece (same size) and leave it unaltered. That way you’ll have something that you know works if you don’t like the bigger throat.

That particular model of C trumpet is one of my favorites. You made a great choice.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the longest time our most requested mouthpiece alteration is enlarging throats and backbores for use on C trumpets, typically 24 throat and 24 backbore. Should you desire, we can turn around these and other mouthpiece alteration services in a day.

That being said, what used to be a special order from the factory, Bach now offers 3C and larger models with these larger proportions are immediately available in store or on our website.

I hope this is helpful.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:46 am    Post subject: James Becker Reply with quote

James Becker +1 on throat mod and backbore mod
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe me, I have tried and experimented with every combination you can think of already. What I've found is that when you get to smaller horns like Eb trumpet or piccolo, you need a bigger backbore to balance off the shortness of the instrument. However, when it comes to C trumpet there are different opinions. My personal opinion is that the large bore of a C trumpet itself already takes care of the balance, so I use the same mouthpiece on C and Bb and it seems to work great.

I know SO many other players that play the same mouthpiece as the Bb but with a 24 backbore added. Opening both the throat and the backbore (aka a 24/24) is very, very common, but for me that's simply too open - I feel like I'm taking away the healthy resistance that I like to blow against. As Jim Becker mentioned, you can get a Bach "Symphonic" model in your size with the throat pre-drilled and with a 24 backbore built in. Might be worth at least trying - if it doesn't work for you, sell it and stick with what you have already, since it seems to be working for you.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your current mpc is working fantastically for you, why mess with it? Because, if you do, you'll wind up like many of us with 60-100 mouthpieces in your mouthpiece drawer.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Should work just fine Reply with quote

[quote="dfcoleman"]Your Yamaha mouthpiece should work just fine in your Yamaha 8445. Some players open up the throat a bit as they progress. If you decide to do this, buy a second mouthpiece (same size) and leave it unaltered. That way you’ll have something that you know works if you don’t like the bigger throat.

That particular model of C trumpet is one of my favorites. You made a great choice.[/quote]

I knew I wanted the 8445 back when I was choosing C trumpets. I tried all the Yamaha models available to me: 8445, Chicago, and New York, and found that the 8445 played the best and I didn’t really see the benefit of almost twice the price for a horn that played almost the exact same (for me at least). I’ve loved my 8445 and it has been a nice compliment to my 8335 as they’re basically the same horn (bore differences aside) so it has made the transition between the two much easier. Eventually I am looking to add the 9835 to my collection for a piccolo, a 6610 for a D, and a 9635 for Eb. I’ve tried many horns and have found Yamaha to work best for me and I will swear by it even if I do find a better horn further down the line. Yamaha has been a great brand for me all these years and I expect my 8335 to last me many more.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to but I like that C and Bb have a different feel with my setup. I use a bowl shaped cup on Bb and a Stork Vacchiano 5C25C, a combo bowl/V cup with a larger throat and backbore, on C.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm one of the folk who found a C mouthpiece helped, but I'm also a comeback player and my ear isn't great. I was playing flat on my Bb mouthpiece and it showed up on the tuner (and live with a pianist ). If you sound right on it don't worry. 16c4 is definitely a symphonic mouthpiece already, right?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: James Becker Reply with quote

dfcoleman wrote:
James Becker +1 on throat mod and backbore mod


I agree, but, his current set-up is working (don't fix it). The more open mod, even with a 16C4, definitely for orchestra section work. IMO
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have been using my Bb piece, a Yamaha 16C4-GP, and it has worked fantastically frankly.


I would not be in a hurry to change something that is working "fantastically." That is the goal most players seek when making a mouthpiece change. You already seem to be there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You had me at. "Currently I have been using my Bb piece, a Yamaha 16C4-GP, and it has worked fantastically frankly."

I never switch any customer who says that their current piece works well, never mind fantastically.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The majority of my playing has been exclusively Bb trumpet. A few years ago I had a bunch of parts in C and wanted to blend with the section, so I borrowed my friend’s Bach 180L229. Having done these alterations for players over the years, I took a Bach 1C identical to my main Bb mouthpiece and opened it to 24/24. I have to tell you the improvement was significant. Nearly every issue I had adapting to C trumpet was minimized, primarily pitch. That experience made me a believer in these changes.

My two cents.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll chime in late..

I'd say for now, no. It sounds like what you're getting out of your current mouthpiece is fine. C trumpet is a different beast, so spend your time working on that. As you grow, thinking in months/years, get yourself to a mouthpiece shop, (Pickett Brass, Warburton, Osmun, Stork, etc), or to a conference (ITG) where there are mouthpieces to try. Then experiment with variations of your Bb mouthpiece or similar pieces.

You may find that what you have works for you, or you may find a larger throat/backbore, or different piece works a little better.

Don't modify your current piece! Keep it and when you start looking, it's a second mouthpiece ... (once you modify a piece you can't go back, and you will lose that piece that you liked.)
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