| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
ThatDude
Veteran Member
Joined: 24 Jul 2009
Posts: 372
|
 Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:51 am Post subject: Hummel in E major on C trumpet |
 |
|
Why isn’t this more common?
What am I missing? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
lipshurt
Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Feb 2008
Posts: 2642
Location: vista ca
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Trumpetinberlin
Regular Member
Joined: 16 May 2020
Posts: 13
|
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Hakan Hardenberger plays it on C-trumpet |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
trumpetera
Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Nov 2005
Posts: 1210
Location: Gothenburg,Sweden
|
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:26 am Post subject: |
|
|
I've allways played it in E on the C-trumpet..
Pretty common in my neck of the woods.
_________________
Principal trumpet Gothenburg Opera Orchestra
Bach LT 37 Bb (Mr. Findleys old)
Bach Mt Vernon 1957 Bb
Bach NY ML 1943 vintage Bb
Very old YTR-6335
Bach/Malone/Lechner C
Malone-Bach 229 C
H.Ganter Bb
Schagerl Wienna (older model) C
Parker Natural |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dstpt
Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 1283
|
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Hummel in E major on C trumpet |
|
|
| ThatDude wrote: | Why isn’t this more common?
What am I missing? |
Lots of 2-3 fingering combinations...G-sharps?...and awkward trills, whereas on the modern E tpt, you're in the fingering key of C, which is what a lot of soloists (not all, obviously) have used since, I'd say, the 1980s. I saw Herseth play it with the CSO live in 1984 on a Schilke E tpt. Great performance. Impeccable pitch, musicality, and note accuracy.
I remember Jim Austin at the Univ. of Houston saying that when he was going to play it with the HSO (early 70s, maybe?), he practiced it on his C tpt in the concert keys of E and E-flat, since they did not know in advance in which key the score and parts would arrive! Can't recall what key he said he ended up doing. Communication has come a long way since then.
I just pulled up a YouTube recording of Armando Ghitalla with the Boston Chamber Ensemble recording of 1963, the first in E major. Someone may know for sure, but I'm fairly certain this was on a C tpt. My wife (a professional classical singer) just heard the string of trills toward the end of the 3rd movement and suddenly laughed when she heard the cadential trill, which he obviously did as a lip trill (I'm guessing 1-2-3). He did the same at the end of Mvt. I and in Mvt. II. I prefer fingered trills, which work great on an E tpt. and not so easy on a C.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NghWWBXx1gk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armando_Ghitalla
Last edited by dstpt on Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:05 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
tanda
Veteran Member
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Posts: 177
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
JoseLindE4
Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Apr 2003
Posts: 791
|
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:20 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Ghitalla’s version is still the most lyrical and original version I’ve ever heard, but the lip trill does sound a little comical. That Guerrier version is great. What a beautiful sound. I think the slower third movement is much more appropriate to the style and character of the keyed trumpet for which the work was written. I get why a soloist would choose to play it at ludicrous speed, but I think it’s much more musical satisfying at a nice trot. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Denny Schreffler
Veteran Member
Joined: 14 Apr 2005
Posts: 390
Location: Tucson
|
| Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
This came up as I was talking with Ghitalla about something else sometime in the late ‘80s as we were backstage at a reh’ for his performance of the Hummel with a wind ensemble.
He resurrected and recorded the Hummel in its original key using a modern C trumpet, and, when he would perform it with a wind band, in Eb, he would pull the tuning slide of his C trumpet out to B so that the fingerings would be the same. He said something to the effect of, “I already know the fingerings – it’s easier – why make it difficult?”
We had started talking because I had seen that he had a Grime Gutter on the bottom of his valve casing. I was just getting into experimenting with bottom valve cap weights, and I was playing my Bach C with some DIY weighted bottom caps and my Benge Bb without any bottom caps at all but with a Grime Gutter in place.
When I asked him if he were playing without the bottom caps underneath the Grime Gutter, his face lit up, his eyes widened, he stepped closer, and he said, with a bit of excitement, “No! but I’ve got them hanging on by just a thread – what do know about this [weighted valve cap business]?” So we shared what each of us knew and were finding out – and from whom – about heavy caps.
Then I mentioned that I noticed that his C was pulled way out and he started talking about the Hummel.
-Denny |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gabrieli
Regular Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016
Posts: 62
Location: Germany
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
I watched this by chance live at the time.
The Hummel in E major on a Bflat trumpet - an old Heckel I think -was just his warm-up.
After 15 Minutes break he came back on stage with an old Alexander double horn and performed the Weber Concertino for horn!!
He also plays trombone and ophicleide; as brass instruments are so easy, he took up the violin and did a diploma on that too.
Some people have more than their fair share of musical talent. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
dstpt
Heavyweight Member
Joined: 14 Dec 2005
Posts: 1283
|
| Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Gabrieli wrote: | | ...Some people have more than their fair share of musical talent. |
Not kidding! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
brass2002
Veteran Member
Joined: 06 Jul 2003
Posts: 143
Location: Canada
|
| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2021 3:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Johann Nepomuk Hummel: Trompetenkonzert in E-Dur
Live-Aufnahme des Konzertes vom 28. August 2020 im Stadtcasino Basel.
Immanuel Richter, Trompete
Johannes Schläfli, Leitung
Collegium Musicum Basel
https://youtu.be/dwL93Vgn-bs |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
mhenrikse
Veteran Member
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
Posts: 162
|
| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| brass2002 wrote: | Johann Nepomuk Hummel: Trompetenkonzert in E-Dur
Live-Aufnahme des Konzertes vom 28. August 2020 im Stadtcasino Basel.
Immanuel Richter, Trompete
Johannes Schläfli, Leitung
Collegium Musicum Basel
https://youtu.be/dwL93Vgn-bs |
Very nice! Thanks for posting. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
