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royjohn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2272 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I have one of the old Getzen 4 valves, which I've rarely played and I didn't know about all those low notes below the C. I'll have to get the horn out again and play with it.
I would advise the OP and anyone else planning to get one of these to try it out first and perhaps compare it to a typical French type 0.411-0.413" bore horn. I have a Couesnon stencil horn in addition to the Getzen and I did have an Olds Super Star that I gave away to a young friend. Both the Olds and the Couesnon have a very different timbre to my ear from the "tromboney" Getzen. The bore on the Getzen is 0.460" if I remember right, so it is a completely different design from the Queenie type horns and sounds pretty different. Darker and more trombonish...still mellow, but not light and lyrical like the Queenie. I was surprised that one of the posters here described it as a typical mellow flugel sound, because to me it's very different.
Both types are good for ballads, but they are different sounds. At one time I was going to choose one and sell the other, but I decided I liked both of them, so I keep both. But YMMV and if you are expecting a typical flugel, it ain't that. _________________ royjohn
Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones
Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve
Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S . . . and others . . . |
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huntman10 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 689 Location: Texas South Plains
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Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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I got mine 50 years and 3 weeks ago! So I am prejudiced. I also have enormous hands and big shoulders, so no problem holding it! I used it playing a few cello solos on my senior recital back about 1975 or so. That 4th valve made it happen, quite well. A few weeks after I got it, I was playing it in a little pizza bar band rehearsal, and there I met the girl I married 49 years and 2 months ago, so she won't let me trade it off.
Any more, I mostly play brass band Eb cornet and municipal band mostly trumpet. But every so often, I play some Chip Davis arrangements on the flug at church. I recently did get an ACB Doubler that is a little easier to fill, and more "fluffy" (always seemed like the Getzen 896 had a more "martial" attack, due to the larger bore) so I occasionally play it when we go to "Oompah" band sessions. Which may be why my grandkids call me Oompa...... _________________ huntman10
Collector/Player of Fine (and not so fine) Brass Instruments including
Various Strads, Yammies, Al Hirt Courtois, Schilkes,
Selmer 25, Getzen Eternas, Kanstuls (920 Pic, CG)
Martin Custom Large Bore, Lots Olds!, Conns, etc. |
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nltrumpet Veteran Member
Joined: 11 Nov 2019 Posts: 206 Location: Washington DC
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Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:02 am Post subject: |
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It’s an ok horn overall. For tuning, I really had to pick and choose my alternate fingerings to make the low register work. The bore is big, but not so big that the pedal C was hard to get out. Sometimes these 4-valve flugels really compromise the security of the fundamental note. |
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jazzlaw New Member
Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Interesting - I think the Getzen I purchased is about 50 years old, and I am replacing my ACB Doubler with it. Both good, but just wanted to try something different.
huntman10 wrote: | I got mine 50 years and 3 weeks ago! So I am prejudiced. I also have enormous hands and big shoulders, so no problem holding it! I used it playing a few cello solos on my senior recital back about 1975 or so. That 4th valve made it happen, quite well. A few weeks after I got it, I was playing it in a little pizza bar band rehearsal, and there I met the girl I married 49 years and 2 months ago, so she won't let me trade it off.
Any more, I mostly play brass band Eb cornet and municipal band mostly trumpet. But every so often, I play some Chip Davis arrangements on the flug at church. I recently did get an ACB Doubler that is a little easier to fill, and more "fluffy" (always seemed like the Getzen 896 had a more "martial" attack, due to the larger bore) so I occasionally play it when we go to "Oompah" band sessions. Which may be why my grandkids call me Oompa...... |
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jazzlaw New Member
Joined: 17 Jul 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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TrumpetMD - what mouthpiece style fits with your horn - believe I saw yours was also early 70s? I am finding that my "standard" shank mouthpiece fits, but is not going in as deep as it did on my old horn and the horn is a little flat when cold and just about in tune when warmed up. I am guessing a need a different shank for this horn.
TrumpetMD wrote: | jazzlaw wrote: | Great info on this post. I just picked up a used one with a KH serial number in the low 200's. According to the serial # list on Adams music it is a '68-'71 range horn. It is in great shape.
Is there using a pinkey the only way to use the 4th valve on this horn? I have a 4 valve pic where I use the index finger of my left hand for the 4th - so this will be learning curve. |
Congratulations!
I use my pinky on he 4th valve. But I think some use their left index finger.
Mike |
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TrumpetMD Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Oct 2008 Posts: 2412 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2021 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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jazzlaw wrote: | TrumpetMD - what mouthpiece style fits with your horn - believe I saw yours was also early 70s? I am finding that my "standard" shank mouthpiece fits, but is not going in as deep as it did on my old horn and the horn is a little flat when cold and just about in tune when warmed up. I am guessing a need a different shank for this horn. |
Getzen makes leadpipes for the 895/896 flugelhorns for both large/Yamaha and small/Bach mouthpieces. So I suppose your Getzen could have either. From what you're describing (a large shank mouthpiece that fits, but doesn't go in all the way), it sounds like you have a small/Bach style leadpipe on the horn.
I purchased my Getzen in the early 1970s. It came with a leadpipe that accepts large shank mouthpieces. (The small/Bach shank didn't come out until the late 1970s.) A couple years back, I purchased a leadpipe from a Getzen dealer that accepts small/Bach shank mouthpieces. I think it cost me $30.
If you have Getzen dealer close by, they can order the large/Yamaha style leadpipe for your 896 Flugelhorn.
Mike _________________ Bach Stradivarius 43* Trumpet (1974), Bach 6C Mouthpiece.
Bach Stradivarius 184 Cornet (1988), Yamaha 13E4 Mouthpiece
Olds L-12 Flugelhorn (1969), Yamaha 13F4 Mouthpiece.
Plus a few other Bach, Getzen, Olds, Carol, HN White, and Besson horns. |
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