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Robert P
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:30 am    Post subject: Orchestral excerpt book? Reply with quote

Waiting on a C trumpet, looking for a collection of common excerpts. Not auditioning for an orchestra just for practice. The term "Orchestral Excerpts For Trumpet" brings up a CD of Phil Smith playing excerpts.

Recommendations?

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a good one to start with ...

The Orchestral Trumpet (Sachs)
http://www.balquhiddermusic.com/brass-studies/sachs-the-orchestral-trumpet
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Philip Norris Excerpt Book used to be the standard, but now the Michael Sachs Excerpt is more often seen around schools and conservatories. The Sachs book is impressively thorough, and his commentary on each excerpt and auditions in general are well worth the price. Michael Sachs also has a CD with several of the excerpts from the book, including many that Phil Smith did not record on his own CD.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not an Orchestral player but take a look at this site:

https://www.brassexcerpts.com/trumpet/downloads/

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KevinInGeorgia wrote:
Here is a good one to start with ...

The Orchestral Trumpet (Sachs)
http://www.balquhiddermusic.com/brass-studies/sachs-the-orchestral-trumpet

That's a fantastic book, I think, because it includes so many excerpts and because Mr. Sachs provides lots of guidance and interesting anecdotes explaining how he plays the pieces.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norris is riddled with errors. Sachs is much better. Phil Collins assembled a good basic one if you reach out to him.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I happened to be one of those that bought the first edition of the Sachs excerpt book. It also had a rather alarming number of errors. The publisher tried to make up for it by mailing out a large number of pdf files for individual pages, but that became a jigsaw puzzle exercise trying to stitch a coherent copy back together with the way it was bound and what have you.

On the other hand, the commentary and written descriptions were very helpful. I suppose in the process of entering in the excerpts into something like Finale a number of errors crept in. No doubt later editions have corrected most of those.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A majority of what you would need can be found on IMSLP- for free. I'd start there. Works that are no longer public domain- like those by Bartok, Stravinsky, Copeland et al-you can purchase full parts or go to excerpt books on those.

I was raised on the International series books. But, they are FULL of errors. Taking that into account, however, there is much in them to learn by.

Just an aside: your transposition is good, yes?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the suggestions! I ordered the Sachs book - it was a bit of a chore, the paypal option on blaquhiddermusic.com kept choking. Ended up paying with a CC.

I like the fact that it comes with a CD for sound concept assistance.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could order directly from Mr. Sachs' site: http://myiesstore.com/michaelsachs/
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Herman rev2 wrote:
You could order directly from Mr. Sachs' site: http://myiesstore.com/michaelsachs/

Thanks - already ordered from the Blaquhidder site.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Hickman has a series, think he still has a banner ad here. [url]hickmanmusiceditions.com[/url]

Were I trying to learn my new horn I'd just play a lot of familiar music on it, not even transposing at first, then start using the C for Bb parts (you'll absolutely need to learn Bb music on C trumpet transposition), then worry about excerpts later, especially if you are not contemplating any auditions in the near future. Just down a step and add 2 flats...
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it correct that these excerpts as they appear in this book are generally written for C trumpet?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the Sach's book, they are the same key as the part will be. There are many excerpts which are commonly played on C, but will be notated in different keys.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jaysonr wrote:
In the Sach's book, they are the same key as the part will be. There are many excerpts which are commonly played on C, but will be notated in different keys.


Indeed.

Some people think that orchestral players play C trumpets because the music is in C. Well, that's not really the case. Many pieces are in C, many are in Bb. Some are in F, D, E, or A. Sometimes, they change in the middle of the song or the page.

The excerpt books I have or have seen have the excerpts notated as they are in the original work - they are not transposed for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the CD that accompanies this is available as a digital download? When searching around I only find the CD, I don't see it on YouTube Music or Apple Music, etc.

I ask as I do not have anything that can play CD's anymore, so I would have to find friend with a CD drive, rip onto their computer, than add it to my music library.... doable (I think) but cumbersome.

I would be interested in a digital copy of the whole book as that is handy too, but I dont see that anywhere either.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://myiesstore.com/michaelsachs/

It appears there is a password protected version available for purchase. It doesn’t specify it as a digital download and also there is no clear way to pay. The contact feature on the website has never functioned for me, but, perhaps, issues on my end. While the website leaves a lot to be desired, the book is quite good and the recordings, excellent.

I had your same issue a couple years ago, fortunately, some buddies were able to help with digital audio.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Essential Orchestral Excerpts" series edited by Dobrzelewski (Hickman Music Editions) is excellent. The last five or so volumes focus on 20th Century compositions, which you largely won't find on IMSLP.

I also recommend the one-volume "20th Century Orchestra Studies" compiled by Gilbert Johnson (Schirmer/Hal Leonard).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This series of books by Rob Roy McGregor may not contain as many excerpts as the other books mentioned, but it includes interesting exercises based on each excerpt and performance suggestions that are extremely helpful in mastering the material.

https://www.hickeys.com/search.php?q=McGregor%2C+Rob+Roy+Audition+%26+Performance+Preparation

The excerpts and exercises are written in the same key as the original parts.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While waiting for your C trumpet... practice. Do loads and get your chops working well.

Common excerpts? Commonly played in orchestras, or commonly asked for in auditions? Or commonly seem as the ones we need to work on as they are ‘challenging’?

I would suggest that in getting your C, just play things to get used to it, rather than jumping into the deep end and trying the hardest excerpts, which is usually what these books are about.

Just a thought... learning to cope with a C, by practising Bartok Concerto for Orchestra seems a little... well, unwise...

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