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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:47 pm    Post subject: Lee Morgan's student horn Reply with quote

Lee's first horn was bought for him by his sister Ernestine, and either Lee or Ernestine told writer Barbara Gardner that it was a Committee, which always struck me as a little unlikely.

So what is it? He's about 14 in this picture, and about a year in to trumpet playing.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_40acEXbo8olIq1y6olzetIvr6Zo9O6f/view?usp=sharing [/url]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Olds Ambassador
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jhatpro wrote:
Olds Ambassador


The horn in the photo is not an Olds Ambassador. Ambassador water keys had the lever on the bottom of the slides and an Ambassador did not have a brace on the tuning slide. Looks like there may be a fixed ring on the third slide, which would eliminate all Olds horns of this era. Perhaps this is a Conn.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Conn 22B
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

French Besson?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://ojtrumpet.net/playerhorn/
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That photo is really blurry for making a precise identification.

The horn does not appear to have a third valve slide throw ring - though the mount could have been knocked off. There is something reflecting light at a couple of points along the gap in the third valve slide that could be braces, slide to slide or tuning slide to slide (if it is a fixed configuration). It could be a reflection off a stop rod for Esbach slides on an early 20th century English Besson. . . .

It is not an Ambassador as noted above. It is not a classic French or English-made French design Besson, as the tuning slide crook is the wrong shape and the brace is too far back. It is not a Conn 8D as the 8D bracing is not apparent, the stop rod is missing, and the proportion of length to height in the wrap is off. Lastly, it is not a Committee for reasons already noted and more. That covers every horn listed.

What is interesting is that I think I am seeing a French (Courtois/Selmer/Couesnon) pinkie hook. Anyone else see that? I am leaning toward a cheap Couesnon stencil trumpet, but can't find a match.
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