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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:04 pm    Post subject: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

What is the most comprehensive book of scales out there? My ideal would be all modes, whole tone, major, minor, blues, chromatic, as many types as possible in as many patterns as possible (thirds, fourths, chord patterns, etc.). I've mixed and matched across lots of different books and just wondered if there was a decent standalone for advanced scales.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Repository of scales and modes by Yuusef Lateef. Additionally, Nicolas Slonimsky’s thesaurus of scales and melodic patterns is another good one and was John Coltrane’s main source of harmonic knowledge/inspiration in the 60’s. I think there are a few bebop-specific books published by Jamey Aebersold, the one I’m thinking of is by Jerry Coker
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Learning your 12 Major scales makes the process of modes much easier by
thinking in that key and starting on each scale degree. Not only will you be
able to memorize them faster (rather than reading it) but relating those scales to
chords will be that much more logical.

There is only one chromatic scale, just have fun beginning on different notes;
Three diminished scales (C,C#,D) before they repeat within each other;
And blues is simply root, b3, 4, #4(b5), 5, b7...again, best to work these out
on your own.

As far as jazz exercises, the above mentioned Patterns for Jazz by Coker is
excellent- as is We're Talking Bebop and Jazz Improv Materials by Rich Willey.
A great thing about Rich's books is that he includes a play-a-long so you can
hear how everything sounds.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:20 am    Post subject: Re: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

tyler.slamkowski wrote:
What is the most comprehensive book of scales out there? My ideal would be all modes, whole tone, major, minor, blues, chromatic, as many types as possible in as many patterns as possible (thirds, fourths, chord patterns, etc.). I've mixed and matched across lots of different books and just wondered if there was a decent standalone for advanced scales.


Dan Haerle's Scales for Jazz Improvization. It has about 30 different scales. It doesn't have blues scales (if you ask Dan, he'll question whether the blues scale is a "scale" or a "pattern"). It also doesn't have bebop scales. Other than that, it's a pretty comprehensive selection of scales.

However, it doesn't have patterns over these scales. As already suggested, Jerry Coker's Patterns for Jazz is a great collection of patterns. For me, it's the "Arban" of jazz patterns.

https://www.amazon.com/Scales-Jazz-Improvisation-Dan-Haerle/dp/0898987059

https://www.amazon.com/Patterns-Jazz-Theory-Composition-Improvisation/dp/0898987032

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:23 am    Post subject: Scales Reply with quote

Ive been using the following since they came out and it has done wonders for me.

" Variations on Clarke's Second Study " by Rich Willey
Boptism Music Publishing

In addition Eric Bolvin has some great scale literature I also have been using for a long time. Great Material !!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:01 am    Post subject: Re: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

TrumpetMD wrote:
Jerry Coker's Patterns for Jazz is a great collection of patterns. For me, it's the "Arban" of jazz patterns.

Just a word about "Patterns". It's not a cut&paste book. It's to develop manual dexterity and mastery of the scale material. Also, I understand the desire to use written resources but remember that Jazz is an aural art, and the finger-ear coordination (not the eye) is the fundamental technique to develop.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:16 am    Post subject: Re: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

kehaulani wrote:
TrumpetMD wrote:
Jerry Coker's Patterns for Jazz is a great collection of patterns. For me, it's the "Arban" of jazz patterns.

Just a word about "Patterns". It's not a cut&paste book. It's to develop manual dexterity and mastery of the scale material. Also, I understand the desire to use written resources but remember that Jazz is an aural art, and the finger-ear coordination (not the eye) is the fundamental technique to develop.


I agree. Jerry Coker explains that the patterns in his book are to help train you to hear, recognize, and incorporate a wide array of melodic structures into your soloing.

A bit of trivia. According to Dan Haerle, a colleague of Jerry Coker, Jerry was inspired to write the book after hearing Giant Steps and wanting to better understand some of the patterns used by John Coltrane.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

TrumpetMD wrote:
According to Dan Haerle, a colleague of Jerry Coker, Jerry was inspired to write the book after hearing Giant Steps and wanting to better understand some of the patterns used by John Coltrane.

If I understand your post correctly, this is probably a little ahead of your time, right now, but regarding Coltrane, two words-Andrew White.

Andrew was a massively talented, multi-instrumentalist musician who transcribed most of Coltrane's solos. You can get them from Andrew's Music, Wash. D.C. He was pretty iconoclastic, so when you're ready and want a contact, it must be directly, no internet. Andrew was self-published.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Charles Colin's Encyclopedia of Scales

https://charlescolin.com/product/complete-encyclopedia-of-scales/
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scale Force by Rich Willey

https://www.boptism.com/boptism-music-store/scale-force-trumpet-treble-clef-instruments-rich-willey/

Chris Kase 21st Century Technique for Trumpet

http://glenlyonbooks.com/kase-21st-century-technique-for-trumpet
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I endorse the Haerle Scales for Improvisation and a good pattern book like the Coker.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Most Complete Scale Book? Reply with quote

tyler.slamkowski wrote:
What is the most comprehensive book of scales out there? My ideal would be all modes, whole tone, major, minor, blues, chromatic, as many types as possible in as many patterns as possible (thirds, fourths, chord patterns, etc.). I've mixed and matched across lots of different books and just wondered if there was a decent standalone for advanced scales.


Try Rob Roy McGregor's Daily Scale Builder

Outstandingly Comprehensive!!!
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