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mjlilley New Member
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Your photos show only part of the bell stamp. What does the whole bell stamp say? _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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mjlilley New Member
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HERMOKIWI wrote: | Your photos show only part of the bell stamp. What does the whole bell stamp say? |
It says Recording King. I'll post some better pics shortly. _________________ Matt |
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mjlilley New Member
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Alsorann Regular Member
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:04 am Post subject: |
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Not sure whether this is relevant or not, but Recording King was a stencil brand name Montgomery-Ward used for musical instruments, including high end Gibson banjos and guitars made for them. |
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N1684T Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:07 am Post subject: |
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Would like to revive this thread. Recording King trumpet, obviously vintage. Hardly anything on the net about it. Montgomery Wards Recording King Instruments does not sell trumpets either, so thats out. Unless they did back in the day, which i guess everyone did back then. |
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Evinerate Veteran Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I believe there is one listed on the Dillon's Music online website, but besides that, I've never heard of one or seen another one.
This trumpet model was probably in very limited production, maybe only a few years.
Interesting horn. |
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N1684T Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 11:58 am Post subject: |
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There is one on GW site now, and lots of bids on it. I wonder if people are confusing it with an Olds Recording? Possible. |
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N1684T Regular Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 10, 2019 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Probably right about very few of them. The one listed above has a 4 digit serial number, and the one on GW is 10 digits different. |
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N1684T Regular Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:52 am Post subject: |
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It went for 278 donuts. It was straight, finish was bad, really curious as to why they bid, and the amounts. Maybe they will Google it and see this and let me know.... |
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yourbrass Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I think that might be a Wm. Frank stencil. The Frank pull knobs look very much like Benge, and Frank was a major manufacturer in Chicago until the late 30's.
Well-made horns for their day.
-Lionel _________________ "Strive for tone." -John Coppola
Edwards X-13
ACB MV3C /ACB A1/26 backbore
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iiipopes Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:21 am Post subject: |
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Alsorann wrote: | Not sure whether this is relevant or not, but Recording King was a stencil brand name Montgomery-Ward used for musical instruments, including high end Gibson banjos and guitars made for them. |
Yes. My Great Uncle had a Recording King guitar from Wards. But I don't believe that name carried over to any other instruments besides guitars and other string instruments. _________________ King Super 20 Trumpet; Sov 921 Cornet
Bach cornet modded to be a 181L clone
Couesnon Flugelhorn and C trumpet |
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El.Vitor New Member
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Hello all, I just recently came upon one of these myself and was wondering if anyone has since come across any new information. I tried looking on the web and several Facebook instrument repair forums but to no luck. The one i have is quite curious as it appears to also have a main tuning slide extender of sorts. _________________ Victor |
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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If you think this may be a king and the King on the bell looks like their engraving, send a pic and a note to Chris at HN White. Do a google on HN white and you will find the current page, he is a grandson of the family and king historian. It could be quite rare and they may want it for the museum.
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:17 am Post subject: |
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The OP horn is definitely not an HN White instrument. I do not see any HN White elements among the recognizable component styles.
There are components copied from the designs of several manufacturers such as Holton, Conn, Bohland, Boston/Vega, and Elkhart - the dominant one being Holton. The engraver either worked at Holton, or copied the Holton art elements precisely (made some stencil rubbings from a Holton maybe?).
I would not rule out a Wm. Frank built stencil - though one detailed in a way to make it appear unique (would have been at the top end of the stencil price scale). _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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plankowner110 Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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If this trumpet were truly a King, it would surely have H. N. White Co. Cleveland, Ohio engraved on it. This horn may have no relationship to the H. N. White Co. _________________ C. G. Conn 60B Super Connstellation
Getzen 800S Eterna cornet
Bach 5C (Jens Lindemann is right)
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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I have examples of every base model of standard Bb trumpet and cornet sold by HN White, both built and stenciled, except for 1 Bohland model I am still seeking out. This is not an HN White product. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20
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Rod Haney Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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OldSchoolEuph wrote: | I have examples of every base model of trumpet and cornet sold by HN White, both built and stenciled, except for 1 Bohland model I am still seeking out. This is not an HN White product. |
Do you have one of the flugel s that looks like a trumpet. Great instrument, I played one owned by my hi school in the 60’svbut no sign of it now. I mean it was the best flugel I’ve ever played price no object. Anyone knowing of a serviceable one please let me know! The is one in the hn white collection on the website. Your impressions of the horn?
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OldSchoolEuph Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Rod Haney wrote: | Do you have one of the flugel s that looks like a trumpet. |
I limited my research to Bb cornets and trumpets - no Ebs, piccs, flugels, etc. _________________ Ron Berndt
www.trumpet-history.com
2017 Austin Winds Stage 466
1962 Mt. Vernon Bach 43
1954 Holton 49 Stratodyne
1927 Conn 22B
1957 Holton 27 cornet
1985 Yamaha YEP-621
1975 Yamaha YEP-321 Custom
1965 Besson Baritone
1975 Olds Recording R-20 |
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