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CJceltics33
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:46 am    Post subject: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student Reply with quote

What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?

Oh and what is the difference between real and fake books?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who do you like in terms of style?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student Reply with quote

CJceltics33 wrote:
What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?

Oh and what is the difference between real and fake books?

The terms "real" and "fake" are artificial. They're both the same thing, and are books that contain songs written as a lead sheets with melody and chord changes.

The most popular real books are the Hal Leonard Real Book series. The first 6 volumes are the general jazz series, with another 25+ volumes covering blues, rock, and other styles. There are other reasonable choices out there too. Bob Roetker's Fake Book (http://bobroetkerjazzguitar.yolasite.com/free-stuff.php) is free for the asking, and therefore a low-risk way to check out a real book. But if you're at a jam session, the leader is mostly going to say the next song "is on page 151 in Volume 1", and will be referring to the Hal Leonard series.

And since you talked about "learning", let me add that there are good lists out there of the more common songs you should focus on. Here are two good lists.

http://www.hopestreetmusicstudios.com/articles/100-must-know-jazz-tunes

https://www.learnjazzstandards.com/blog/50-jazz-standards-you-need-to-know/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Real/Fake books for beginner improv student Reply with quote

CJceltics33 wrote:
What are good real/fake books for a trumpet player to learn to improvise?
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The real/fake books DON'T usually contain any 'improvised' suggestions or info about 'how to' improvise. The are just the bare bones standard intro, theme, chorus, etc. and with the chords marked (and of course those chords can be useful as the framework to improvise around).

You might also look for 'transcriptions' of various pieces 'as played' by well known musicians - that would show you how they did it.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2020 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Chuck Sher "Real Easy Books" are very good.

However, I would probably suggest that someone just learning to improvise invest in several volumes of the Aebersold Play-alongs that come with books containing excellent lead sheets for all the tunes in a particular volume. I would suggest starting with the "Maiden Voyage" and "Killer Joe" volumes.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best materials to start with are the Real Book and Aebersold play along volumes which include a CD of the rhythm section so you can practice and develop by playing along. Ear training is a big part of improvisational development and the CD's give you a context for that development.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2021 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The OP never answered my question about what they like to listen to. So I looked through their history and found:

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Hello! Just asking for suggestions of albums, songs, and artists to listen to. I listen to things like Gordon Goodwin's stuff, The Complete Atomic Basie, Syeeda's song flute, the Moanin album, and some of Wynton's stuff. Thanks!

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