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Sofus Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 6:53 am Post subject: Best piccolo choice? |
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I´ve decided to buy myself a piccolo trumpet, and the
choice is between a Bach AP190 and a Yamaha ytr6810.
The Yamaha is much cheaper, but so many have said
so many good things about it that it seems like a good option.
My questions therefore are: which one is
- the most freeblowing
- the best in tune
- reminding the most of the old Selmer P. piccolo regarding sound, i.e. the brightest/darkest
I really need help to make a decision! Any other comment and
experience will be utterly welcome! _________________ " There are no secrets to trumpetplaying - except Practice Your Head Off - and that´s no secret! "
Bud Herseth 1977 in Hamar, Norway
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F.E. Olds Nut Veteran Member
Joined: 15 Mar 2010 Posts: 343 Location: Detroit
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: |
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Yamaha, hands down. They are well-made and play in tune. _________________ Del Quadro "The Mother" |
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a.kemp Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Aug 2008 Posts: 675 Location: NYC
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:03 am Post subject: |
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The Bach will likely be more free blowing, being a long picc model.
The Yamaha, being a short model picc may be more Selmer like.
The Bach may have slightly better intonation....but, depends on the horn.
If money is a factor, get the Yamaha. Great Great little horn! Not a thing wrong with it. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8910 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:38 am Post subject: |
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The Bach piccs have their fans but I don't see that they get nearly as many recommendations as other picc brands.
I've liked pretty much all the Yamaha pics I've played though I like the short bell least. The 9820C (3 valve + rotor) is easily my favorite. I found it a very easy transition from the Bb compared to all other piccs I've played. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
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Steve Hollahan Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Oct 2005 Posts: 518 Location: Charlotte, NC
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:10 pm Post subject: Yamaha Picc |
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Older Yamaha picc's are usually tiny bores. Around .401" bore. Like a soda straw. Not my cup of tea.
Bach's are not much better. _________________ Steve Hollahan
Bach 37, 229 C
Yamaha 9620 D-Eb, 741 C, Flugel
Kanstul 900 piccolo trumpet
Sculptured Recrafting Custom Instrument Repair
and Restoration
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Shark01 Veteran Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Playing a Schilke P7-4 is amazing, all you would ever need. |
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8331 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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They play fairly differently, I'd try them both. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: best piccolo choice? |
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Yamaha is good and consistent, but the choice between a yamaha and a bach is a Schilke, actually. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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tuningbell470 Regular Member
Joined: 16 Sep 2015 Posts: 23 Location: London
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 2:39 am Post subject: |
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I own the Yamaha and have tried the Bach.
I bought the Yamaha because I got a great deal on a second hand one, and it plays fantastically.
I use alternate fingerings for D,Eb and E, but this depends on the context in which I am playing and if I'm on the Bb or A leadpipe. The intonation on the rest of the instrument is rather good, once you've got used to piccolo. What I'm really saying is this isn't a horrifically out of tune instrument that will lead to bad habits.
Blow wise I find mine pretty free blowing (although I do use a Warbuton 12* backbore which is quite large). As others have said, the Bach is a bit freer like most long models are. Soundwise, I love the Yamaha (I do own one ), it can be bright and sparkly without sounding nasal (despite the tiny bell), and can also hold its own at the top of a brass choir. I've only tried the Bach and other long models in smaller rooms, but my perception was that they were louder.
The 6810 Yammie can do everything a piccolo needs to do about 95% as well as the longer models (my opinion, but seems to be shared among players of this instrument). If that 5% means a lot to you, then there are plenty of other instruments that will satisfy that need! Please do try them both to see for yourself. _________________ Trumpeting in progress
Spencer Heavyweight Bb
Stomvi Elite D/Eb
Yamaha Chicago C Gen 2
Yamaha 6810 Bb/A Piccolo |
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Theshinytrumpet Regular Member
Joined: 09 Feb 2019 Posts: 26 Location: Rockford, Illinois
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:28 am Post subject: |
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I just picked up a Schilke P7-4. It is by far the best Piccolo Trumpet I have ever played! I would definitely give one a try before buying something else. _________________ Logan Wooden
Pickett Brass/Blackburn Trumpets
Robinson's Remedies
Soulo Mutes
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trickg Heavyweight Member
Joined: 02 Jan 2002 Posts: 5675 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:58 am Post subject: |
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So do you want the best pic, or just the best from those two choices?
The "best" (YMMV) pic is a Schilke P5-4 with a Blackburn leadpipe. _________________ Patrick Gleason
- Jupiter 1600i, ACB 3C, Warburton 4SVW/Titmus RT2
- Brasspire Unicorn C
- ACB Doubler
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jhahntpt Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:25 am Post subject: |
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From those options the Artisan will leave you less likely to want an upgrade.
The Yamaha 6810 IMO is cheaper for a distinct reason, it's not made as well and will leave you feeling like you own an instrument you don't WANT to play.
I have the Yamaha 9830 with Blackburn lead pipes and I love it.
Many have and swear by the Schilke p5-4 to the point where that's about as "standard" as it gets. _________________ Bb: Yamaha 9335NY Gen3
Bb: Yamaha 8310Z
C: Shires 4S/W1B
Piccolo: Yamaha 9830
Flugel: Yamaha 8315G
Cornet: York Eminence |
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Sofus Veteran Member
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 104
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Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you all so much for the qualified answers you´ve given!
The prize does matter nowadays when I don´t teach anymore.
I´ve retired and my wife thinks that our money should go also
to other things than horns (can you imagine!?!?).
With an infinite bank account I would probably buy them all but
at this point in life cheap is equal to good . . . _________________ " There are no secrets to trumpetplaying - except Practice Your Head Off - and that´s no secret! "
Bud Herseth 1977 in Hamar, Norway
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scottfsmith Veteran Member
Joined: 27 Jun 2015 Posts: 472 Location: Maryland
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Posted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Make sure to look at used ones if you are tight on cash. I bought a well-used Yamaha picc for a grand and got no wife complaints Or get a better horn for the same money, e.g. there is a Schilke P5-4 in the TH marketplace in your price range which will be an awesome horn. Marketplace here, eBay, Reverb, etc. _________________ Thane Standard Large Bb / Monette Unity B6-7M mpc
Lots of vintage trumpets and mouthpieces |
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