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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8333 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Andy Cooper wrote: | I'm wondering if there was a transitional time when CA manufactured parts were assembled in OH by King workers. |
I think I've read that this did happen, but I have no first hand knowledge of it.
Brassnose wrote: | Any opinions on UMI horns other than that they are not as highly regarded? I’ve seen a lot of less positive posts about them but what got me thinking in the first place is the fact that when I bought the Bach in the signature in 1992 the runner up was a Benge. |
So, the main issue with UMI Benge horns is some years after the Anaheim plant was closed and production was moved to Eastlake, UMI stopped making the original Benge models (3X, 5X, CG, etc) and slapped the "Benge" name on UMI horns, some which were solid, some less so. Some were intermediate level, some were maybe professional level. They also did this with the "King" and "Conn" brands as well.
Here's an example. The King "Silver Flair" of the 1990's is an intermediate level horn that has little to do with the old HN White King Silver Flairs of the 1970's and earlier. Similarly, the "Benge" models of slightly later UMI vintage have no real relation to previous Benge models. Thus, some call these "Benge in Name Only." It's as if CarolBrass bought the Bach label, didn't copy the Strad, and eventually just sold whatever their current production was under the Bach label.
These horns aren't necessarily poor horns, per say. In fact, I've read some pretty good reports of how some of them play. They're just not Benge instruments as designed by Elden and others when Benge was in Chicago, Burbank, and later Anaheim. Same with the later UMI Kings and Conns - which have really nothing to do with the vintage production models of their heyday.
As to how the Eastlake built Benge 3X, 5X, and so forth models are, I don't have first hand experience on, so I'll let those who do comment on them. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:53 am Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | OK, third attempt to post … I know this is an ages-old thread BUT: I have just come across a Benge 7 (not 7X), serial 987 XXX and wonder when and where it was made.
Bell engraving says Resno tempered Bell 7 custom made by E. Benge USA, no indication of a city. |
Is it Elmar's (Barliman) Benge? |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2053 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:55 am Post subject: |
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Not that I know of. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
AR Resonance, Frate, Klier |
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delano Heavyweight Member
Joined: 18 Jan 2009 Posts: 3118 Location: The Netherlands
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Crazy Finn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 27 Dec 2001 Posts: 8333 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2021 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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delano wrote: | https://www.facebook.com/commerce/listing/533895751132122/?media_id=0&ref=share_attachment |
Likely UMI Benge from Eastlake. _________________ LA Benge 3X Bb Trumpet
Selmer Radial Bb Trumpet
Yamaha 6335S Bb Trumpet
Besson 709 Bb Trumpet
Bach 184L Bb Cornet
Yamaha 731 Bb Flugelhorn |
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