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mike ansberry
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:58 pm    Post subject: Another Roll Out question Reply with quote

Hey, Jeff
I have been revisiting the information in the Roll Out section and I think I may have been doing it wrong.

On Roll Out #3 my lip starts in a normal playing position for the first note, then I pucker and get the double pedal. The inner mushy part of my lips are vibrating and I get the sound like on the recording,
but lower lip doesn't roll out as far as in the picture. The ridge between the red mushy part of the lower lip and the harder outer part does not leave the mouthpiece.

I play #4 the same way. My lips are in the mouthpiece but puckered forward to get the double pedal sound like in the recording. But they roll in as I ascend.

Will this prevent me from getting the full benefit of BE?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is always potential for a more exaggerated lip position. I think that most players settle for something less than optimum.

If you have thinner lips, the more exaggerated RO position may be challenging.

What happens when you play pedals with the bottom lip more rolled out? It will undoubtedly feel different.

Jeff
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mike ansberry
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will work on that.

So I should practice Roll Out # & 4 with the boundary of the "fleshy part" of the lower lip out of the mouth mouthpiece up into the upper range and not let it roll in?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Mike

As far as I know the only hard and fast rule is that you should sound exactly like the recording and it sounds like you are checking that box.

Personally my "shift" phase is dramatic so the bottom lip (and I have thin lips) is right out of the mp - at the start of RO 3and 4.

At the moment I don't have any hard and fast rule for how much I roll in in the middle of the RO4. I think quite a lot of people (from what I have read on this forum) go for more of a rolled in lip set up as they get to say g top of the staff.

Great thing about BE is the flexibility / despite Jeff's very precise instructions / to experiment. On any given day where are you lips giving you the most "snap" and "zip" is probably more useful than anything you read here.

In my head I don't have any goal of optimum lip placement for the RO - I see the lips as embarking in a never ending optimization process and I am like a passenger looking on if that makes any sense.

Nice to have a bit more discussison on this forum after a quiet few months..

all the best and stay safe

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mike ansberry wrote:
So I should practice Roll Out # & 4 with the boundary of the "fleshy part" of the lower lip out of the mouth mouthpiece up into the upper range and not let it roll in?


There is no absolute answer to this question. Different players roll back in to different degrees, depending on their lip architecture. Please reread page 70.

The first thing to know is whether or not you can play the pedals with a setup like the pictures on page 63. That is the starting point. For some players this is the easiest thing in the world. Not so for everyone.

If you email me a video, I can give direct feedback.

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