Which Slides

jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:25 pm Post subject: Which Slides

How can you tell which slides to use with a cornet that has one set for Bb and another for A?
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royjohn · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:36 pm Post subject:

The A slide should be longer and you should be able to see that, but if you are doubtful, put in a slide and play an open C and see what your tuner says...the Bb silde should give you a Bb, the A slide an A, right?
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jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:53 pm Post subject:

That’s what I figured but I played a trad gig today and several people said I was sharp.

I was using a new to me 1911 Conn that’s either a New Wonder or a New Invention. The serial number suggests New Invention but the angled tube between the 2nd and 3rd valves implies New Wonder.

In any event, which of the shorter slides should be pulled out?
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:15 pm Post subject:

If I want to use the cornet to play in Bb at 440 could I use the longer slides?
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

Andy Cooper · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:18 pm Post subject:

Any chance your 1911 is a cross over model with the C Bb A from 1910?

With all of the slides in - does it play in C when you use a mouthpiece from that time period or at least a short shank pre 1958 Conn mouthpiece?

jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:27 pm Post subject:

I have what I think is an A/Bb New Invention with all the slides that there are slots for in the case which appears to be original.

The horn is marked LP which raises the question “what was low pitch in 1911?”

If it was 435, which I’ve read was common then, would any of the slides enable it to be played at modern 440?
_________________
Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle

HaveTrumpetWillTravel · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:28 pm Post subject:

On the tuning side of things, I find that going through play alongs on youtube often makes it clearer if I'm out of tune, because going note by note I can't always tell (although this assumes the person you're playing with is in tune).

Dale Proctor · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:39 pm Post subject:

That’s the era where there was a transition from high pitch horns to low (modern) pitch horns, and some were made to play either way. A convertible horn marked LP should play in 440 with the longer slides in place.
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jhatpro · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 4:58 pm Post subject:

Aha! Thanks, Dale!
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Jim Hatfield

"The notes are there - find them.” Mingus

2021 Martinus Geelan Custom
2005 Bach 180-72R
1965 Getzen Eterna Severinsen
1946 Conn Victor
1998 Scodwell flugel
1986 Bach 181 cornet
1954 Conn 80A cornet
2002 Getzen bugle