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Matsumike Regular Member
Joined: 13 Jun 2004 Posts: 67 Location: The FAR North
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject: finally some real info.... |
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Jason, I love it when you chime in, I always learn something valuable! Thanks. _________________ Music is a moral law.
It gives a soul to the universe,
wings to the mind, flight to the imagination,
a charm to sadness, gaiety and life to everything.
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razeontherock Heavyweight Member
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 10609 Location: The land of GR and Getzen
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2004 2:26 am Post subject: |
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"Sounds like SuperChops to me... "
Just for the record, this "trick" Herbert L. wrote is not Superchops, but it is pretty close to the embouchure Callet now teaches, TCE; merely a development of what many past greats used. It's stable throughout over 5 octaves, and not a a trick at all. _________________ "And this is life: that you know the Son, and the One who sent Him." The rest is just details |
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beboptrumpet Regular Member
Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 41
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Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:23 am Post subject: |
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In my experience it depends on the person. i play on a large bore (Holton MF Horn ST307S; .468), but all the other trumpet players i know play on ML bores, and say that they can't play on larger bore horns for one reason or the other, but, it works for me. not everything works for everybody, because we are all different.
on a sidenote, physical condition and or physical stature may also play a role in how one responds to one bore size or the other. i'm physically larger than all the other trumpet players i know. i'm 6'2 about 220. i do heavy resistance training, and moderate to intense cardio 5 days a week, so i'm in decent physical condition, and i'm used to moving a lot of air and deep control breathing. it could be that a large bore works for me because utilizing the larger volume of air neccesary for a large born horn is almost second nature to me.
i'm not bragging in any way, but this line of thinking came about because i have noticed that when i don't workout and my phycical conditioning starts to decline, all aspects of my playing suffer. i have nothing other than personal experience to base this line of thinking on.
prehaps when looking for what equipment works for which person, some of these factors should be considered. _________________ I Walk Through the Graveyard Like Thunder,
Make the Tombstones Quake and Set the Dead to Wonder, For I am A Trumpet Player
and I Stand On Top Of The World. |
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tommy t. Heavyweight Member
Joined: 01 Mar 2002 Posts: 2599 Location: Wasatch Mountains
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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In my experience the horn can certainly make a difference in range. However, I had it happen without a bore change. I went from a .470 Callet to a .470 Wild Thing and gained a minor third of dependable, full tone range. My top squeek didn't go up, but the highest nice fat note did. |
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_Don Herman 'Chicago School' Forum Moderator
Joined: 11 Nov 2001 Posts: 3344 Location: Monument, CO, USA
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, yes -- it ain't the bore size! The actual bore has little to do with the acoustic impedance -- "blow" or "resistance" to we trumpet folk. The shape of the tubing matters more.
Jim Donaldson's Schilke Loyalist site has an excellent articale on the irrelevance of bore size.
Nice horn, btw, though I am rather biased... _________________ Don Herman/Monument, CO
"After silence, that which best expresses the inexpressible, is music." - Aldous Huxley |
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JAZZ-PLAYER-COLLECTOR Heavyweight Member
Joined: 21 Aug 2004 Posts: 1154
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Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Think 'Mouthpice", that the screamers' real secret. They play every horn
on Earth, but 80-90% are using a shallower cup. Some feel a lighter weight
horn is helpful to get that edge, but bore size is irrelevant. Tom in Texas _________________ 7 Monettes, 9 Taylors, 8 Courtois, 8 Stomvis
7 Lawlers, 4 Leblancs, 3 Bessons, 3 Kanstuls
2 Blackburns, 9 Schilkes, 8 Bachs, 5 Selmers
8 Yamahas, 5 Committees, 2 Edwards Gen X
4 Marcinkeiwicz, 9 Harrelsons, and 4 Eclipses |
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Jenny Lee Regular Member
Joined: 06 Jun 2021 Posts: 43
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Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Thanks to everyone who offered their views here about bore size.
This thread inspired this article on the topic of measuring bore size and what effect bore size has on playing characteristics. |
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B935 Regular Member
Joined: 16 May 2003 Posts: 13
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:33 am Post subject: Bore diameter and endurance |
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I would like to hear opinions of the effect on endurance with different bore sizes.
Pete Beller |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3302 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:07 am Post subject: Re: Bore diameter and endurance |
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B935 wrote: | I would like to hear opinions of the effect on endurance with different bore sizes. |
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Bore size alone probably does make a difference that could be analyzed and understood - IF all the other aspects of the trumpet were kept the same.
The 'other aspects' include: mouthpiece, leadpipe, tuning slide shape, bell taper rate and size, etc.
But there's also the question of whether a 'good playing trumpet' could be designed without changing those other aspects.
When comparing 2 trumpets of different bore sizes, you might notice an endurance change - but it would not be valid to attributed the change entirely to the bore size (unless the other aspects were the same).
If a 'large bore trumpet' appeals because it produces a 'huge lush powerful sound that soars above the orchestra' it might require more endurance. But that is because of the entire design, not just the large bore. _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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