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HBD New Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:48 am Post subject: Endurance issue |
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For some reason, I seem to have more endurance and range on my flugelhorn than on my B flat trumpet. Does anyone have any idea why this could be? |
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HERMOKIWI Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Less resistance on the flugelhorn means you aren't having to work quite as hard on the flugelhorn. _________________ HERMOKIWI |
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JayKosta Heavyweight Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2018 Posts: 3298 Location: Endwell NY USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:59 am Post subject: |
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My guess is that something is 'out of balance' on the Bb trpt.
Possible suspects include - mouthpiece choice, mouthpiece gap, valve alignment, blockage in the tubing (grease gob, debris, etc.)
Has the Bb always exhibited endurance issues, or is it a new occurance?
Have you played other Bb's that were better? _________________ Most Important Note ? - the next one !
KNOW (see) what the next note is BEFORE you have to play it.
PLAY the next note 'on time' and 'in rhythm'.
Oh ya, watch the conductor - they set what is 'on time'. |
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cheiden Heavyweight Member
Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Posts: 8911 Location: Orange County, CA
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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My impression is that the flugelhorn doesn't push back as much as the trumpet. I'm not sure I'd characterize it a resistance. If that were the case I'd expect similarly improved endurance on a more open mouthpiece or trumpet and so far for me that's not at all the case. For me, more open equipment usually hurts my endurance on the trumpet.
While I share your perception with the flugel I find it even more striking on the French Horn. I played the French Horn for an entire musical and had little doubt I could have played another show back to back, and I've NEVER said that about a musical on the trumpet. I suspect that it has more to do with the impedance related to the standing wave than it does due to simple resistance to flow through the tubing. And I suspect that this is an inherent attribute of the trumpet and not something that can be tuned out. I would be happy to be proven wrong. _________________ "I'm an engineer, which means I think I know a whole bunch of stuff I really don't."
Charles J Heiden/So Cal
Bach Strad 180ML43*/43 Bb/Yamaha 731 Flugel/Benge 1X C/Kanstul 920 Picc/Conn 80A Cornet
Bach 3C rim on 1.5C underpart
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Shaft Heavyweight Member
Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 981
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Conical vs cylindrical may be a factor here as well. |
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royjohn Heavyweight Member
Joined: 12 Jan 2005 Posts: 2272 Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Does this have something to do with what you are playing on trumpet vs flugel? Many people play lyrical stuff and ballads on flugel and high, loud stuff on trumpet. Is this too obvious? _________________ royjohn
Trumpets: 1928 Holton Llewellyn Model, 1957 Holton 51LB, 2010 Custom C by Bill Jones, 2011 Custom D/Eb by Bill Jones
Flugels: 1975 Olds Superstar, 1970's Elkhardt, 1970's Getzen 4 valve
Cornet: 1970's Yamaha YCR-233S . . . and others . . . |
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Richard III Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 May 2007 Posts: 2654 Location: Anacortes, WA
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:54 am Post subject: |
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Holding the lips together is more difficult as you play higher and higher or louder and louder. The trumpet takes much more air than the flugelhorn. It takes much less strength to play the flugelhorn. That is unless you are playing those funny flugelhorns that are very large bore. _________________ Richard
King 1130 Flugabone
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Brad361 Heavyweight Member
Joined: 16 Dec 2007 Posts: 7080 Location: Houston, TX.
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Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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JayKosta wrote: | My guess is that something is 'out of balance' on the Bb trpt.
Possible suspects include - mouthpiece choice, mouthpiece gap, valve alignment, blockage in the tubing (grease gob, debris, etc.)
Has the Bb always exhibited endurance issues, or is it a new occurance?
Have you played other Bb's that were better? |
Everything else being equal, this would be my guess as well.
Especially the range comment.
Brad _________________ When asked if he always sounds great:
"I always try, but not always, because the horn is merciless, unpredictable and traitorous." - Arturo Sandoval |
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