Endurance issue

HBD · New Member Joined: 21 Jan 2014 Posts: 4

For some reason, I seem to have more endurance and range on my flugelhorn than on my B flat trumpet. Does anyone have any idea why this could be?

HERMOKIWI · Heavyweight Member Joined: 24 Dec 2008 Posts: 2581

Less resistance on the flugelhorn means you aren't having to work quite as hard on the flugelhorn.
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JayKosta · Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:59 am Post subject:

My guess is that something is 'out of balance' on the Bb trpt.
Possible suspects include - mouthpiece choice, mouthpiece gap, valve alignment, blockage in the tubing (grease gob, debris, etc.)

Has the Bb always exhibited endurance issues, or is it a new occurance?
Have you played other Bb's that were better?
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cheiden · Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:17 pm Post subject:

My impression is that the flugelhorn doesn't push back as much as the trumpet. I'm not sure I'd characterize it a resistance. If that were the case I'd expect similarly improved endurance on a more open mouthpiece or trumpet and so far for me that's not at all the case. For me, more open equipment usually hurts my endurance on the trumpet.

While I share your perception with the flugel I find it even more striking on the French Horn. I played the French Horn for an entire musical and had little doubt I could have played another show back to back, and I've NEVER said that about a musical on the trumpet. I suspect that it has more to do with the impedance related to the standing wave than it does due to simple resistance to flow through the tubing. And I suspect that this is an inherent attribute of the trumpet and not something that can be tuned out. I would be happy to be proven wrong.
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Shaft · Heavyweight Member Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 979

Conical vs cylindrical may be a factor here as well.

royjohn · Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject:

Does this have something to do with what you are playing on trumpet vs flugel? Many people play lyrical stuff and ballads on flugel and high, loud stuff on trumpet. Is this too obvious?
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Richard III · Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:54 am Post subject:

Holding the lips together is more difficult as you play higher and higher or louder and louder. The trumpet takes much more air than the flugelhorn. It takes much less strength to play the flugelhorn. That is unless you are playing those funny flugelhorns that are very large bore.
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Brad361 · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:19 pm Post subject: