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lipshurt Heavyweight Member
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Miles never titled anything “the birth of the cool”. That is what somebody called an album of recording that miles did with the large ensemble in about 1949. Those were singles. _________________ Mouthpiece Maker
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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delano wrote: | I want to add that another point is that the way I see it, Miles Davis didn't want to be a trumpetplayer like the kind of player the majority (?) on this forum seem to want to be. Certainly not. |
I've read that Miles wanted to be a flashy player like Dizzy but just wasn't born with the tools so he developed a style that was accessible to him within his limitations. _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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delano Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Don’t believe everything you read. |
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kehaulani Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:24 am Post subject: |
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"Crouch was a hypocrite, a failed avante garde drummer who. . lambast any . . . who tried to push the music past 1945."
Is this consistent within itself? _________________ "If you don't live it, it won't come out of your horn." Bird
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khedger Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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Robert P wrote: | delano wrote: | I want to add that another point is that the way I see it, Miles Davis didn't want to be a trumpetplayer like the kind of player the majority (?) on this forum seem to want to be. Certainly not. |
I've read that Miles wanted to be a flashy player like Dizzy but just wasn't born with the tools so he developed a style that was accessible to him within his limitations. |
I read (it might have been Miles in his autobio or someone else....can't remember) that if you listen closely to those old sides with Bird, you realize that Miles plays like Diz, but that he realized he couldn't play as high, so it's medium register Diz.....(I've obviously paraphrased....)
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Robert P Heavyweight Member
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HaveTrumpetWillTravel wrote: | I don't get the people who are bagging on Miles's technical ability. He was the top of the top. He was admitted to Julliard. The story is that he his rhythm was so good he leave the room and come back and still be on beat. |
He was admitted to Juilliard which means someone saw potential but we'll never know how he would have done if he'd stayed. I have no idea what kind of politics were in play - was Juilliard a bastion of progressive thinking where they were color blind when the rest of the world generally wasn't? Or was it unusual for a black student to be admitted?
I've asked in various forums if anyone has heard a recording of young Miles playing the kind of literature that would have fit in at Juilliard, to date I've never heard from anyone who knows of the existence of anything like that.
Was he even there long enough to do a jury or recital? Are there accounts of what his private lessons were like, what his instructors thought of him? _________________ Getzen Eterna Severinsen
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blbaumgarn Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 3:09 am Post subject: the greatest of them all |
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At some point musicians like Miles become just like the "Men in Black" where they are above everyone, over everyone and beyond everyone. He had a style which, to me, was his alone. I am not sure I believe in "G.O.A.T s" as it limits things. Athletically, musically, anything. I just didn't get Miles when I was younger but my younger brother always loved him and he kept sending me cassettes and then CDs. A light came on for me about 15 years ago. I am glad my brother stayed after me, LOL. _________________ "There are two sides to a trumpeter's personality,
there is one that lives to lay waste to woodwinds and strings, leaving them lie blue and lifeless along a swath of destruction that is a
trumpeter's fury-then there is the dark side!" Irving Bush |
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