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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:37 pm    Post subject: Kmi vs Hn white 1055t? Reply with quote

I am a huge fan of Hn white horns. I am in market for a 1055t and was looking for a hn white horn, but came across a Kmi with a date in the early 70s with a serial number around 490k. How does the Kmi compare to the Hn white horns? Did Kmi keep up the quality in the early and mid 70s horns Eastlake horns?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as it’s pre UMI, the HN White and KMI silver flair trumpets were very similar in quality and playability as far as I could tell. Of course, the earlier HN White ones are probably more desirable by collectors though.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KMI as in King Musical Instruments?

Never thought of that acronym.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy Finn wrote:
KMI as in King Musical Instruments?

Never thought of that acronym.


Yes. The company that Directly followed H.N. White. I'm looking at a 1972 Eastlake horn that seems in great condition for around 700.00 plus shipping. Doesn't have the original case, but comes with king case of a different Era. Kinda looks like an older 2055t case from the 80s.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy Finn wrote:
KMI as in King Musical Instruments?

Never thought of that acronym.

Me either. And I didn't even figure out as much as you did.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having wanted an original King Silver Flair for a long time, I ended up buying two last year, both 1055's. One was from Cleveland and the other from Eastlake. Both were in equally excellent original condition. Playing them side by side, it was difficult to notice much difference between the two. They both played great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I picked up the kmi horn. Hopefully it's in the condition as described in the marketplace ad. After shipping it was a bit under 800.00. I'm a bit concerned about the valves from the pictures and worried they might need to be replaced, but seller said they were good. Seller also said horn had no dents or plating loss or scratches.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chef8489 wrote:
Thanks for the replies. I picked up the kmi horn. Hopefully it's in the condition as described in the marketplace ad. After shipping it was a bit under 800.00. I'm a bit concerned about the valves from the pictures and worried they might need to be replaced, but seller said they were good. Seller also said horn had no dents or plating loss or scratches.


If there are no dents, plating loss or scratches the horn probably wasn't played much so the valves should be fine. The King Instruments Silver Flair must have been a horn that was popular with students who didn't play much and then quit because it seems that every time I see one for sale it is in almost new condition. I bought one many years ago for $700 and it was like new and plays great.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HERMOKIWI wrote:
chef8489 wrote:
Thanks for the replies. I picked up the kmi horn. Hopefully it's in the condition as described in the marketplace ad. After shipping it was a bit under 800.00. I'm a bit concerned about the valves from the pictures and worried they might need to be replaced, but seller said they were good. Seller also said horn had no dents or plating loss or scratches.


If there are no dents, plating loss or scratches the horn probably wasn't played much so the valves should be fine. The King Instruments Silver Flair must have been a horn that was popular with students who didn't play much and then quit because it seems that every time I see one for sale it is in almost new condition. I bought one many years ago for $700 and it was like new and plays great.

I agree mostly, but pics of valves look like there is plating loss on them. IDK maybe they are just dirty.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chef8489 wrote:

I agree mostly, but pics of valves look like there is plating loss on them. IDK maybe they are just dirty.

Those valves don't look bad. The brown is probably just staining, and it's best to leave it. I have a 1055T that I paid $600 for. The silver plating isn't perfect, but the valves are in great condition, as measured by a pressure test.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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chef8489 wrote:

I agree mostly, but pics of valves look like there is plating loss on them. IDK maybe they are just dirty.

Those valves don't look bad. The brown is probably just staining, and it's best to leave it. I have a 1055T that I paid $600 for. The silver plating isn't perfect, but the valves are in great condition, as measured by a pressure test.

I'll see once it arrives. I'll also get my tech to look the horn over. Maybe do a Chem clean and polish. Check the felts, corks, and everything. The 3rd ring is bent pretty badly, so I did order a replacement
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

now Im thinking I am not getting the horn. Seller I bought it from in the marketplace gave me a tracking number that is being delivered to the wrong state. Usps says the package is way over weight from what a trumpet would weigh. either seller made a mistake or I am getting scammed. ad still has not been removed after the trumpet was sold as well. Hopefully it wa just a honest mistake and horn will still show up. Luckily I did not pay with friends and family, except 16.00 that was a payment for the difference for the cost of priority shipping from what I originally paid.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Kmi vs Hn white 1055t? Reply with quote

chef8489 wrote:
now Im thinking I am not getting the horn. Seller I bought it from in the marketplace gave me a tracking number that is being delivered to the wrong state. Usps says the package is way over weight from what a trumpet would weigh. either seller made a mistake or I am getting scammed. ad still has not been removed after the trumpet was sold as well. Hopefully it wa just a honest mistake and horn will still show up. Luckily I did not pay with friends and family, except 16.00 that was a payment for the difference for the cost of priority shipping from what I originally paid.


I do hope your Silver Flair will arrive eventually.
They are really great trumpets!

I'm also a huge fan of the 1055T King Silver Flairs and I have had four of them.
One all original HN White Silver Flair from 1965, one KMI from the early 70s and two from the late 70s.
(Forget about the post 1985 UMI 2055 Silver Flairs. They are a completely different trumpets and more of an advanced student horn than pro-horn).
The HN White Silver Flairs and the early 70s KMI Silver Flairs are spot on identical (besides the engravings) and they are the best version of the Silver Flair.

The late 70s KMI Silver Flairs have some differences, though...
On the very end of the third silde tube is a "ring" attached but I guess this is more of a cosmetic thing.
(I can send photos if it's unclear what I mean by "ring".)
The valve guides are made out of plastic and not of brass.
And most importantly, they have a different bell.
The bell diameter is 1/2'' smaller and the bell flare is also narrower by a tiny, tiny little bit.
As far as I can tell the leapipe and valve block are the same though.
The late 70s KMIs still play very similar to the older ones but they tend to sound a little tighter and brighter.
And this was the case with both of my late 70s Silver Flairs.

I ended up selling both of them and kept the older ones, however my early 70s Silver Flair is for sale now as well.

But no chance that I will sell my HN White Silver Flair.
This one is truely a keeper!
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:27 am    Post subject: Re: Kmi vs Hn white 1055t? Reply with quote

trumpetom2 wrote:
chef8489 wrote:
now Im thinking I am not getting the horn. Seller I bought it from in the marketplace gave me a tracking number that is being delivered to the wrong state. Usps says the package is way over weight from what a trumpet would weigh. either seller made a mistake or I am getting scammed. ad still has not been removed after the trumpet was sold as well. Hopefully it wa just a honest mistake and horn will still show up. Luckily I did not pay with friends and family, except 16.00 that was a payment for the difference for the cost of priority shipping from what I originally paid.


I do hope your Silver Flair will arrive eventually.
They are really great trumpets!

I'm also a huge fan of the 1055T King Silver Flairs and I have had four of them.
One all original HN White Silver Flair from 1965, one KMI from the early 70s and two from the late 70s.
(Forget about the post 1985 UMI 2055 Silver Flairs. They are a completely different trumpets and more of an advanced student horn than pro-horn).
The HN White Silver Flairs and the early 70s KMI Silver Flairs are spot on identical (besides the engravings) and they are the best version of the Silver Flair.

The late 70s KMI Silver Flairs have some differences, though...
On the very end of the third silde tube is a "ring" attached but I guess this is more of a cosmetic thing.
(I can send photos if it's unclear what I mean by "ring".)
The valve guides are made out of plastic and not of brass.
And most importantly, they have a different bell.
The bell diameter is 1/2'' smaller and the bell flare is also narrower by a tiny, tiny little bit.
As far as I can tell the leapipe and valve block are the same though.
The late 70s KMIs still play very similar to the older ones but they tend to sound a little tighter and brighter.
And this was the case with both of my late 70s Silver Flairs.

I ended up selling both of them and kept the older ones, however my early 70s Silver Flair is for sale now as well.

But no chance that I will sell my HN White Silver Flair.
This one is truely a keeper!


I'm really hoping it still shows up. Seller says post office mixed up tracking. If it doesn't I'll get a refund and then put that money towards a H.N White silver Flair, unless I can find a mint kmi flair for a deal like this one.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine it will show up. But if not, you can have this one.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beyond16 wrote:
I imagine it will show up. But if not, you can have this one.

Ah that auction ended.
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