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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:58 pm Post subject: Warburton backbore star vs. no star |
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OK, my local Craigslist currently has a gazillion Warburton parts for sale and I’m tempted to do some experiments. One question that came up is the characteristics of the star, such as 5*, vs. the regular backbores like the 5.
The Warburton site says that the star series is more free blowing than the standard series. Does that mean that a 6 backbore would be similar to a 5* or is this too simple an assumption?
Main field of use would be outdoors playing with a brass group in a smaller stadium, ca. 8000 ppl. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
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Andy Cooper Heavyweight Member
Joined: 15 Nov 2001 Posts: 1802 Location: Terre Haute, IN USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Warburton backbore star vs. no star |
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Brassnose wrote: | OK, my local Craigslist currently has a gazillion Warburton parts for sale and I’m tempted to do some experiments. One question that came up is the characteristics of the star, such as 5*, vs. the regular backbores like the 5.
The Warburton site says that the star series is more free blowing than the standard series. Does that mean that a 6 backbore would be similar to a 5* or is this too simple an assumption?
Main field of use would be outdoors playing with a brass group in a smaller stadium, ca. 8000 ppl. |
The 5,5* and 6, to me, are all a little tighter blowing that a stock Bach #10 backbore. The resistance between the 5* and 6 are similar but the feel and sound is different. The * backbores to me sound broader - maybe more brilliant (not bright) while the standard backbores are more focused. I find the 6 backbore - somewhat restrictive compared to a Bach 10 but darker.
If you want a backbore that is a little tighter than a Bach 10 or stock Yamaha C , these might work. [Note: my views do not exactly agree with the Warburton site - just my opinions with the tops and horns I have used.] |
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Yammie Heavyweight Member
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 819 Location: sunny Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:15 pm Post subject: Warburton star backbores |
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As I understand it, the star backbores have a shorter cylindrical section in the throat area, which more closely resembles Bach backbone characteristics. (Not to be confused with the B series, which is intended to correct the gap issues some Bach receivers have with Warburton’s standard shank.) In theory, the star series is more targeted for classical type playing, while the non-star series with their longer cylindrical section are more suited for commercial playing.
That’s the marketing speak. Your best approach may be to use that only as a guide and test out which size and style works best for you. _________________ 6340S, Connstellation 36B, 38B, 38A, and 28A, Couesnon flugel, Blackburn C, Kanstul/Besson 920 picc, and a HUGE pile of Messina Covers gig bags |
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone. I like medium open mouthpieces so I’ll maybe check out something in the Warburton 6 to 9 size. From what you say the smaller backbores may be too tight. There is also a Q, 1, and 1* for sale but those probably wouldn’t fit the bill.
The statement about focused vs. broader is interesting, will have to consider that. Will keep everyone posted, but may take a little bit of time. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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Manuel de los Campos Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 649 Location: Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:56 am Post subject: |
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Brassnose wrote: | From what you say the smaller backbores may be too tight |
To me that depends on the trumpet that you are using: With my Getzen 900 LB mod. Severinsen I use backbore 4, with my 900 Eterna LB non Severinsen I use backbore 7, as I do with my Conn 22B and Courtois mod. Delmotte C-trumpet.
Backbore nr. 8 I use for my Getzen 700 since that horn has a lot of resistance in the blow.
I use the differend backbores for compensating the resistance in the blow, I actually never noticed anydifference in sound between them
The star series I used to use them but since I tried a non-star backbore I stick to those, I like it a little more focussed, to me easyer to play _________________ Technology alone is a poor substitute for experience. (Richard Sachs) |
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hose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 1854 Location: Winter Garden, FL
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I use GR and pre-fire Warburtons in my Yamaha 8335R. I believe what GR says about mpcs and horns being very player specific. If there is not a match then they're not going to work well. Mostly trial and error. I recently tried an old Q and it did change the sound, but caused a vibration that sounded like water in the horn. Doesn't happen with a KT or other backbores. _________________ Dave Wisner
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Brassnose Heavyweight Member
Joined: 07 Mar 2016 Posts: 2020 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:33 am Post subject: |
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@hose: I agree. For every instrument I have one mp that works far better than many others. In principle I’m done with my mouthpiece safari but maybe there is a Warburton just to try The descriptions and all do help to roughly estimate what could be a good start, but obviously no one will have the exact same results like I will. _________________ 2019 Martin Schmidt eXcellence
1992 Bach 43GH/43
1989 Kühnl & Hoyer Model 15 flugel
1980/2023 Custom Blessing Scholastic C 😎
1977 Conn 6B
1951 Buescher 400 Lightweight
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