He sounds enormous in this! Every trumpet entrance practically sounds like a trumpet concerto.
(Actually, I don't know if we're allowed to say this here on TH, where louder trumpet is seemingly always better trumpet, but while I think it's sensational playing, I think the trumpet's actually too loud in the mix a lot of time, but that's on the guy with the stick and/or the recording engineers.)
He sounds enormous in this! Every trumpet entrance practically sounds like a trumpet concerto.
(Actually, I don't know if we're allowed to say this here on TH, where louder trumpet is seemingly always better trumpet, but while I think it's sensational playing, I think the trumpet's actually too loud in the mix a lot of time, but that's on the guy with the stick and/or the recording engineers.)
More likely, that's just a person playing way way too loud. There are sections where the trumpet sounds fine, but then others where it's out of balance. There is no way the engineer was doing that. I guess put me in the camp of meh on this. If looking for a loud, but delightful performance of this, Michael Sachs did one with Cleveland that's just sublime.
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:22 pm Post subject:
I’m going to have to disagree. If the conductor or recording engineer did not want to hear this much first trumpet, it would not have been difficult to change that. Engineers can make us virtually inaudible if they choose to do so. Likewise, if Jaap wasn’t into it, he’d have thrown a blanket over it. _________________ Jim Wilt
LA Philharmonic
Colburn School
I remember hearing a CSO broadcast of a concert at Ravinia with Brandenburg 2. Herseth sounded GREAT (as usual) but to me he totally failed to be part of the 4 member solo group. It sounded mostly like a trumpet concerto with no balance on the lines that passed from one solo instrument to the next.
I never thought it was Herseth's fault. Did the conductor want a trumpet concerto? Did the sound engineer want a trumpet concerto?
Esteban is a true phenom, I think of him as the “new Herseth,” and he has absolute respect and reverence for Bud.
On the BB2 topic, have any of you heard a recording or performance where the trumpet player ever actually managed to be part of the ensemble instead of the dominant voice? I’ve listened to dozens of recordings from every era, on modern and Baroque instruments (including probably every BB2 recording available on YouTube), even Jens’s newest wonderful recording, but I don’t know that I’ve ever heard that goal achieved in reality. The most balanced BB2 I’ve ever heard is this one, crazily I actually like this non-trumpet version better than any trumpet recording I’ve ever heard, argh!
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Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:35 pm Post subject:
MrClean wrote:
I’m going to have to disagree. If the conductor or recording engineer did not want to hear this much first trumpet, it would not have been difficult to change that. Engineers can make us virtually inaudible if they choose to do so. Likewise, if Jaap wasn’t into it, he’d have thrown a blanket over it.
Yep, the recording balance has all the trumpets turned way up. Just listen to the fanfares in the final movement.
Why this particular recording is so unbalanced can only be the subject of conjecture… wait! That was my doctoral thesis )long abandoned), it dealing with Stravinsky. I have thoughts this, which may or may not be correct. T event, I’ll not put them out there as they are a little controversial!
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On the BB2 topic, have any of you heard a recording or performance where the trumpet player ever actually managed to be part of the ensemble instead of the dominant voice? I’ve listened to dozens of recordings from every era, on modern and Baroque instruments (including probably every BB2 recording available on YouTube), even Jens’s newest wonderful recording, but I don’t know that I’ve ever heard that goal achieved in reality. The most balanced BB2 I’ve ever heard is this one, crazily I actually like this non-trumpet version better than any trumpet recording I’ve ever heard, argh!
Oh my gosh, I had seen this one but had completely forgotten about it, thank you for posting it Fuzzy, and thank you Reinhold for pulling off that superb performance! Love that C picc too!
I guess there is a range of personal tastes here as far orchestral trumpet playing. But I honestly can't see how the balance isn't perfect in the Rondo. It sounds like what you would expect from a star principal trumpet in an orchestra known for its brass. Thanks for posting this. I'm looking forward to hearing the CSO on tour.
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